By adamg on Wed., 7/9/2014 - 7:50 am
WCVB reports, says the T is also investigating Transit Police officers who liked the post about Father's Day in Roxbury or commented on it.
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Nice try
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:11pm
but your attempt to turn your position into one of "I simply don't discriminate and you do" doesn't work.
you are trying to defend a racist and racist actions with logic that becomes more convoluted at every iteration, it's that simple. first it was "the courts won't see it that way," and then it was "you're not inside his head," and now it's something about not being judgmental.
Had you stopped at simply saying "hey, this sucked and was bad but unfortunately from a purely legal standpoint, there are issues calling this explicitly racist," you wouldn't look so bad, but man, your hole is deep at this point.
Internet
By cybah
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:37pm
It's the internet.. I honestly don't care.
I post here to debate and pass time. That is all. I was just making a point to debate, that's all. Nothing more or nothing less.
PS - You need read before you post, if you read below (and above) you'd see I wasn't support this guy at all and I hope they can his ass for it.
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Defending an indefensible position
By nm
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:42am
Just makes you look bad.
" I'm not sure how race is involved here. "
You still believe this?
I do
By cybah
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:55am
because unlike most people, I take comments and people at face value.
And I took the comment at face value. No race was mentioned in the text of what he wrote. Only a city. And that connotation is what made it racial. But at face value, not so much. I took at as face value and didn't read between the lines
Sheesh.. Maybe many of you need to start to do this.
nothing means anything
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:20pm
unless it's explicit and literal then.
so do you, like, choose not to believe in the existence of metaphors, sarcasm, similes, idioms, or rhetorical questions?
In what context
By cybah
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:41pm
Text on a screen.. absolutely I take it with a grain of salt because words can be interpreted and read many different ways.
In person, not so much (as body language and other factors come into play)
btw you're also talking to the sarcasm KING. I know ALL about metaphors and sarcasm. And I know how they can be miss interpreted online as text on a screen. Hence why I asked in what context you are asking AND why.. very often on Uhub I can spend a fair amount of time writing a posts and crafting my words carefully so they don't interpreted the wrong way.
Well,
By bosguy22
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 2:37pm
If you take things at face value, why did you assume Roxbury meant the area of Boston? How do you know he didn't mean Roxbury, New Jersey? Oh, that's right, you read between the lines.
uh
By cybah
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 4:38pm
You're just trying to get me going and are grasping at straws because you don't have any other valid points to debate me with.
Try again.
PS - You just proved my point about assumptions. Because again, at face value, he could very well be speaking about Roxbury NJ or some other Roxbury that isn't in MA.
THANKS FOR PLAYING AND VALIDATING MY POINT ABOUT MAKING BROAD ASSUMPTIONS.
Uh, the '70s called . . .
By thetrainmon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:32am
Right here is the biggest issue people have with a lot of townies (and former townies) in this city--it ain't the '70s anymore! I love how people still talk about Roxbury (or Southie or JP or Mission Hill or any other neighborhood) like it was "back then." Back then the crime rate was through the roof; back then if you weren't a certain shade of skin tone you wouldn't be caught on one side of Washington Street or the other, even at high noon.
Sorry, times changes; people change; neighborhoods gentrify. People don't like Southie still being painted as racist Bulger Town; it's time to move on with Roxbury as well.
Yes, the seventies sucked
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:11am
especially when you could get an one bedroom on Marlborough Street for 400 bucks a month. Yep, those times really sucked when you lived here.
Would just like to point out
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:40am
That using the BLS inflation calculator, $400 in 1975 is roughly $1,768 in 2014
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
You proved his point
By bosguy22
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 2:38pm
a 1br in the back bay for $1700/month is a steal.
But
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:16am
Dvdoff was simply speaking the truth, and explaining why the denialists are wrong. He and I and others have both heard this kind of "joke" since the 70s and before. It never stopped. The racists are still out there. Just because you moved into Boston doesn't mean that the racists moved out. I will say that the racial climate in my opinion is better than it was in the 70s.
But to deny that it still exists doesn't help anything.
"Again not sticking up the
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 9:51am
"Again not sticking up the guy"
Of course you are, at least be honest and admit it. Its not assuming if there is no other plausible answer. Why did the police officer single out Roxbury, answer that. At least you are illustrating how bigots are not very intelligent.
A: you absolutely seem to be
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 9:54am
A: you absolutely seem to be "sticking up for him," why not just own that?
B: if "that's not what he meant" or "that's not what he said," then what did he say? How about you give us your interpretation, if all of the rest of society is "putting words into his mouth"? If it didn't mean what it so obviously meant, then please tell us, what did it mean?
I honestly don't get how you're trying to stay on both sides of this one. You understand what he insinuated and think that's wrong, but think that was he said was ok anyway.
here we go again
By cybah
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:52am
As I keep repeating, and now it is happening to me.. you're interpreting what i said wrong.
Did you read what I wrote above?
and I quote
And as far as do I believe that his comment was racially charged. Of course I do, I know exactly what he meant. Duh. I'm not that thick
Did anyone ever stop to think I am just debating to debating a point because I'm bored. Sheesh. People need to stop taking the internet so G-D seriously.
a twist!
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:23pm
oh wait, a new twist in the line of argument!
now it's "everyone else takes this too seriously"
come on, now you've turned yourself every which way but right.
Oh kiss off
By cybah
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 1:16pm
Seriously anon, kiss off.
I don't care. I don't care. And guess what
[b]I don't care [/b]
At least I am trying to make points and debating this topic rather than not contribute more to the debate than just snide comments without any merit.
So seriously, fold it in four corners and shove it.
Let me translate this for you
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 9:58am
Cybah, despite your debating team tactics, this was clearly a racist statement, was meant to be racist, and was interpreted as racist by everyone who read it, including those who liked it, and those who didn't.
My roots are in Southie, I live in Dorchester and I'm white. I've heard this kind of "joke" for my entire life, of course among whites, when no black people are present. Unfortunately the T has a long sordid history of racism in hiring, promotion, and interaction among employees, so this kind of stuff doesn't surprise.
If they're going to fire
By dave davery
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:43pm
If they're going to fire every cop who is slightly racist they're going to have to fire like 90% of them.
You say it like it's a bad thing...
By John-W
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 2:20pm
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Racist?
By Anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 7:29pm
He's simply stating an inconvenient truth about a vast majority of Roxbury's households, nothing racist about it. Should I be fired for stating that the sky is blue to a group of people who happen to really hate that color? They might not like it, but it is what it is. He should definitely be fired if his statement applied to the entire black population, but as far as Roxbury goes his statement is absolutely correct, with plenty of data to back it up.
Eugenics
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 07/10/2014 - 11:30am
Has been debunked. Please try reading some literature about the universal nature of underclass groups and enclaves, and the larger societal perceptions of such all around the world and try again.
Please Proceed
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:57am
As a lawyer, I encourage you to continue with this line of argument. Not because I find it persuasive but because I am completely entertained by how persuasive you find it to be.
Please proceed.
US Census is racist?
By Markk02474
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 1:11pm
I have to agree with cybah unless truth is considered offensive.
Is the US Census service racist for producing statistics by race?
Its a simple fact that black kids are far more likely to have single parent, mother headed, homes than other races. Are black leaders upset at anyone for pointing out the truth and their failures at getting black men to stay with the mothers of their children?
"Black children (55 percent) and Hispanic children (31 percent) were more likely to live with one parent than non-Hispanic White children (21 percent) or Asian children (13 percent)."
http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p20-570.pdf
Here's the fallacy
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 07/10/2014 - 11:36am
You are noting statistics that demonstrate the results of racism and underclass status, and using them to justify further negative treatment of people in the underclass experiencing racism.
That's a classic intellectual fallacy, in that it confuses the results of poverty and racism with justification for completely ineffectual judgmental nonsense. The statistics exist, yes, and expert sociological and demographic judgement knows that they demonstrate the outcomes of negative judgments and difficult lives.
Ignorant people use those statistics to further stigmatize those same people to make themselves feel big.
Racism makes irresponsible fathers?
By Markk02474
Mon, 07/14/2014 - 7:19pm
Can you explain how racism and underclass status causes men to abandon their children and the mothers of their children? Does it make the mothers abandon their children and sperm donors also, somehow?
You assert there is a cause for the statistics. What is your proof?
You're lame and cowardly if you are trying to pretend
By MC Slim JB
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 2:52pm
that this joke isn't racist. Laugh at the racist joke if you think it's funny, but own your racism instead of hiding behind mealy-mouthed bullshit about imaginary ambiguity here.
You must not read
By cybah
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 4:47pm
I love Uhubbers who only read what they want to read. If you read all the posts, you'd understand me.
I won't say it again. Please re-read what I wrote.
And please, spare me the "oh you must be a racist if you don't agree with the pack" even if there's another angle attitude. Seriously, stop this crap.
Everyone all day has been trying to race bait me on this thread. I smell that game a mile away and I don't play that game.
I will say this again to make it clear once again.
[b] I DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID AND I HOPE HIS ASS GETS FIRED. [/b]
How much more do I have to say that to prove that I am merely debating a point that I may or may not agree with. Its called playing the devils advocate, it starts debate and helps spur lively conversation. That's all I am doing folks... nothing more, nothing less.
How can you agree or disagree
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 5:01pm
How can you agree or disagree with what he said when you don't understand what he said because in order to understand what he said you have to make an assumption about what he said and all assumptions are bad because you take people at face value and....
Welcome to my world
By Markk02474
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 8:08pm
I'm so misunderstood!
Not an appropriate comment but there is a real issue there
By Hyde Parkish
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 9:26am
Facebook is not the place to have the discussion in a joking context, however there is a trend of babies in Roxbury being born into single parent households that leads to a number of other issues. No one is talking about this challenge that negatively impacts the community, it's too bad that public figures like Tito Jackson aren't taking the opportunity to discuss this in a serious manner.
http://www.city-data.com/zips/02119.html
Women who had a birth in the past 12 months: 363 (151 now married, 212 unmarried)
Read more: http://www.city-data.com/zips/02119.html#ixzz36yfI...
It would be inappropriate for
By bibliotequetress
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 9:53am
It would be inappropriate for a person in public service to use a racist joke as a jumping off point for a serious discussion of anything. It would validate the bigotry and undermine any valid point, if there actually is one, to be made.
Who are you to say
By bosguy22
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:08am
Someone has to be married to have a child? Just because a couple isn't married, doesn't automatically mean the man won't be in the child's life.
Ummm
By Anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 7:43pm
It takes at least $60k a year to survive around here, and well over $100k a year to be able to support a child. Are you telling me all those teenage single mothers in Roxbury are raking in $100k a year and are perfectly happy raising that child (or children, in most cases) on their own?
Oh Jeebus
By FlyingToaster
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:13am
Have you looked at the marriage/birth statistics for any of the Scandinavian countries? And every fundie preacher condemning them for "socialism"?
There are plenty of good reasons to get married, and just as many not to.
A relevant statistic would be how many of those newborns in Roxbury are born into poverty, not merely into single-parent-homes.
Tito is addressing this...
By DEMO
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 2:18pm
http://bluemassgroup.com/2014/05/tito-jackson-talk...
Very offensive
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 9:32am
To residents of Fort Hill area and to a lesser extent Roxbury Crossing, otherwise pretty damn accurate. Any bleeding heart pearl clutcher, citation please (tm) that proves otherwise.
Next year he'll specify Lower Roxbury
By thetrainmon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:17am
So as not to offend the more-gentrified sections of Roxbury.
. . . or you could just say it was all-around offensive.
Grievance?
By Lunchbox
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 9:50am
Any word from the union about whether they'll grieve the discipline?
Black Comedians such as
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:02am
Jamie Foxx, Paul Mooney and Chris Rock have all made millions making similar comments directed across the aisle.
Yes the officers comment was in bad taste, but i think the reaction is overblown and hypocritical.
Thank you! I was about to
By BostonSean
Thu, 07/10/2014 - 6:47am
Thank you! I was about to point out the same thing then I read your post. People need to get a grip, seriously.
I love how the MBTA is all
By Hyde_Parker
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:05am
I love how the MBTA is all over firing a guy for a "racist" Facebook post, but can't seem to get its act together to fire someone who is negligent in his/her job.
Get a grip Uhubbies
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:36am
1) It was clearly racist. There is no question
2) The guy is being disciplined, not fired
3) It wont end up in court, although it may go to an arbitrator
Someone was fired?
By perruptor
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 11:53am
Nobody was fired, and nobody is attempting to fire the racist "comedian. "
I'm sorry that your love is unrequited. Perhaps you should look for love in different places.
How can people wonder why youth have no respect for police?
By tired of this bs
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 10:35am
Seems like there is something every day about cops acting like gangbanging thugs, incompetent cops, racist cops, stalker cops - and all of them getting away with it.
Just an assumption
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:03pm
Just an assumption, but i don't think illiterate thugs are reading this site or any other local columns.
Are you sure? Have you seen
By gotdatwmd
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:30pm
Are you sure? Have you seen some of the posts that end up days later from "shooter arrested" stories of all the friends writing defenses on how great they are in broken English or all caps?
Yes
By anon
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 12:41pm
However im assuming their probably googling their friend/relatives name and ending up on UHub.
Bigger than UHub
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 07/09/2014 - 2:29pm
Do you really think that Adam is the only one reporting these things?
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