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Cop shot in face during Roxbury traffic stop; suspect shot dead
By adamg on Fri, 03/27/2015 - 6:45pm
Crime scene. Photo by Jed Hresko.
A Boston Police officer was shot around 6:40 p.m. at Humboldt Avenue and Ruthven Street. A second ambulance was summoned for a suspect, also shot, but he was declared dead at the scene.
Police Commissioner William Evans said the officer, John T. Moynihan, 34, was shot under the right eye, is in a medically induced coma at Boston Medical Center and is "fighting for his life right now." He asked people to pray for him.
Evans said Moynihan and other members of the Youth Violence Task Force pulled a car over for a traffic stop - the Globe reports they were investigating a report of gunfire in the area. One of the occupants of the car, got out, turned and shot the officer, once, Evans said. Officers returned fire and the man fell, dead.
A bystander was shot in the arm. Three other officers were taken to the hospital for treatment of stress.
Two other people in the car with the suspect, also not yet named, were taken into custody and are being questioned.
Paul Weiskel reports the dead man's body lay in the street until 11:35 p.m., or nearly five hours after he was fatally shot.
Last year, the National Association of Police Organizations named Moynihan a Top Cop for his work helping to save the life of MBTA Officer Dic Donohoe after the Tsarnaev shootout in Watertown in 2013.
Evans added: "We have way too many guns out there. We have way too many young kids running around out there [with guns]. Unfortunately, this is what happens."
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Sincerely hope the Officer is okay.
God Speed!
Does this mean Spring is
Does this mean Spring is really here? Violence is creeping back. I also hope the officer is okay. :(
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Boston Police say 1 officer shot, at least one suspect shot on Humboldt & Ruthven in Roxbury. Officer's injuries non life threatening.
POS H-Block thugs
These punks have been causing mayhem in Boston for far too long.
#PoliceLivesMatter
violent thugs, not so much.
cop shooting
The dead suspects not from "H-Block" for the record.. I'll pray for the cop & his family as well as the deceased suspect..R I.P. Angelo!
13 people liked this comment?
13 people liked this comment? Pathetic. More like rot in hell, Angelo.
Yeah, you know, some people
Yeah, you know, some people are able to still remember the deceased was a human being, even though we condemn his actions. It's this crazy emotion called human empathy, and having it doesn't detract from having empathy for the officer, or meaning we condone terrible actions.
But yeah, keep on keepin' on with the people on here that happily dehumanize entire groups of people, including the ones that didn't commit this crime (ie, "the thugs of H-Block" comment above). That totally makes you better than us. Thumbs up, champ.
A human being, yes
But his actions right before he died kind of dried up the well of sympathy on the part of the general public. Did you emphasize with Adam Lanza after he shot up Sandy Hook? My feeling was that Tamerlan deserved a burial, but I had no sympathy for the guy.
Sympathy to the family, but for Angelo I could just say "glad you were able to escape the cold. Enjoy the burning heat of hell."
And yes, the general community had nothing to do with this. There might be issues thereabouts from time to time, but this shitstorm has little to do with them.
My comment is not at all
My comment is not at all about sympathizing with the killer in this case or any other. This is a local forum, and all the time people show up in the comments who have some personal connection to the events that happen. I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt that the person who said "RIP" knew the suspect.
So with that in mind, I feel it shows a stunning lack of class and humanity to call them pathetic for feeling a sense of loss, or other people trying to give support in response to that.
Thanks, champ.
I will dehumanize this asshole. He was a total nothing in society, a nobody, a burden. He added nothing of value to this world and he won't be missed.
Thugs
Of h-block refers to thugs of h-block, not law-abiding residents of h-block terrorized by the said thugs on a daily basis.
Tom on RT-20?
You wouldn't happen to be from the Weston part of Rte. 20?
Just wondering.
Nope, I don't live in any of
Nope, I don't live in any of the Ws.
these cops work hard on these
these cops work hard on these streets.hope he is ok
Statement by Mayor Walsh
HBLOC
Just because it happen in the hood, doesn't mean its the neighborhood that cause the drama.
Can you translate?
Also, what is your point?
Wasn't that hard to parse
Just because it happened in that neighborhood doesn't necessarily mean anybody involved was from the neighborhood.
Thanks for the snark, chief.
That's what we need right now. Also, who gives a rat's ass whether the shooter lives in H Block? That's quite a tangent to be entertaining at this point, when the officer is in a coma.
No problems, bud
Yes, it's horrible that an officer is fighting for his life.
That doesn't mean people who live in a neighborhood don't want to get blamed for something they might not have anything to do with. Or is it hard for you to consider two thoughts at the same time?
Let me be clear.
There is a time and place for everything. Now is not the time for someone to be arguing (without any facts, by the way) that the neighborhood shouldn't be "blamed" for a shooting that occurred there.
Your indulgence and defense of this sideshow is absurd and out of character. Do better.
Do you mind letting everyone
Do you mind letting everyone know when we're allow to have that argument? Just so we're all clear on these rules about what can be discussed and when
Ever study logic?
IF
THEN
Logic?
i don't think I studied what you just explained as "logic".... Informative lesson though.
Explanation
Some anon up there ^ explicitly blamed "HBLOC thugs." Some people questioned whether that was reasonable. This most recent anon says we shouldn't be talking about whether it is, because we don't have facts to say the dead shooter didn't live in HBLOC. Swirly's point is that we don't have any facts saying he did.
Not too hard.
In fact, because this was a "traffic stop," it's reasonable to conclude that the shooter was going from some place to some other place, neither of which is established as the place where the incident occurred.
More on the "traffc" stop
The Globe says the officers pulled the car while investigating a report of gunfire in the area.
Exactly
Absence of evidence is never evidence of absence.
Anon was perpetuating a logical fallacy, arguing that his point of view was supported by the absence of evidence to the contrary. Worse yet, Anon was attempting to shut down discussion premised on that fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Swirly Claven
you make a living on UHub doing exactly this. Very Sybil like.
She's covered herself in glory since Friday night.
Nitpicking, victim blaming/shout outs to busing and the Stuart case. A real cornucopia of unhelpful, non germane commentary that has contributed to the embarrassing sideshow in the comments section.
Pretty sure you are wrong about this
Swirly can be snarky at times. She does love to shower her posts with personal anecdotes - which is pretty standard UHubber protocol. And she can be a bit proud of her own opinions - again, that's almost so common among us regulars as to be unremarkable.
But errors of logic? No, not really. She's pretty solid in that department.
However, it's pretty obvious that she does come in for waaaay more negative comments directed at her personally, as opposed to her ideas/premises. (That's an ad hominem fallacy, if you're keeping track). Many people will simply throw shade at her and never bother to comment on the actual subject of the thread.
This behaviour seems almost entirely to come from a relatively small group of conservative middle-age/older male posters. Who I guess are particularly threatened by an outspoken woman with generally progressive opinions? They certainly don't focus such much scorn at other posters with similar ideological leanings.
Dude, get some damn
Dude, get some damn perspective. This is a news blog. It's a... wait for it... place for conversation about events. It's not like this person is storming the officer's family or precinct demanding the right people be blamed. It's an open forum. Sometimes, when you allow for open conversation, that includes perspectives you feel personally uncomfortable with. Deal with it.
Open forum my ass
I'm sure people like you make admin cream his pants on a daily basis, but he's quick with the banhammer when someone happens to post something that hurts his tender liberal ears. You know, like commenting on thugs shooting up their neighborhoods - it offends him when comments are made about certain neighborhoods, but he doesn't seem to realize comments are about those particular neighborhoods because crap like that does not happen in other neighborhoods.
Spurting mad, are we?
Yes, I admit it: Anon comments that bring up Ferguson, that use 1950s-era perjoratives for particular groups, that blame entire groups of people for the actions of one particular person, that describe, in surprisingly vivid detail, what should have been done to somebody had they lived, many in colorful Herald-comments-section frothing, yes, you're right, I'm not posting those.
Shooting last week 2 streets down
Just last week there was a shooting at Humboldt and Hutchings, 2 streets down. http://www.universalhub.com/crime/20150318/daylight-shooting-roxbury-sen...
A quick search showed gunfire at the exact corner the police officer was shot in October 2014.
http://www.universalhub.com/crime/20141007/guy-bicycle-fires-least-eight...
Crazy area. Hoping for a full recovery for the officer.
Crazier than you know.
Crazier than you know.
There's still a lot of police activity going on, and Humboldt is still blocked off.
The helicopters were circling for hours after the incident
Not sure why if there was no one to chase?
those were news helicopters..
those were news helicopters.. BPD does not own a helicopter
My wife and I have lived on
My wife and I have lived on Ruthven for 6 years. This is not a common occurrence or a "crazy area." Yes, bad things sporadically happen sometimes (this is a City), but don't dump on a neighborhood you've never stepped foot in. After the altercation (it sounded like someone set off firecrackers), Ruthven was abuzz for hours with neighbors coming out of their houses and talking/staring. This is not business as usual and this is not a "if only the residents cared about their neighborhood" situation. This is a traffic stop gone horribly bad, and a terrible situation, but let's not paint this with too broad a brush. I wish the officer and the bystander who was injured a safe and speedy recovery.
Can confirm
Homestead west of humboldt here. It's a lot of older families that have been around for generations.
Older Families? Yes. Shootings? Yes.
It does matter that there are lots of older families in this area. There are generations of families up off of Humboldt that are the rock of a neighborhood. Nevertheless there are older families in many Boston neighborhoods, but there aren't shootings in those neighborhoods with the frequency of the area along and off of Humboldt Avenue.
Please do not be disingenuous to the people on this post. Humboldt is known now to have had large amounts of anti social behavior over the past few years, more than what is seen on Walk Hill, Codman Hill, Neponset, etc. The evidence of the trail of shootings is clear, this is not a safe place as compared to many other similar middle class areas of the city.
more to the story
I I work there and all over dorchester. This hill is the dot/rox line. Every "bad" street has good families quietly living there, working hard. And this spot has some of the most beautiful houses in Boston. The wood work always amazes me when I go inside.
I find the street plan a little challenging and it seems to work against emergency service delivery. There are problems here that have nothing to do with what kind of people live here.
I live on Pope's hill, and while you can label it less crazy, I can take you on a murder walking tour just from 8 years that i have lived here. We just have higher property values and better services. We have lots of public transportation.
Street plan?
That area is pretty much a grid -- certainly less "challenging" to navigate than the hilly areas like Mission Hill and Fort Hill.
Homestead west of Humbolt and
Homestead west of Humbolt and even further west of Harold is MUCH quieter. I loved living there
Not dumping
Not dumping. I have a family member who lives near here (Franklin Park) and my kids go to school in this neighborhood. I drive down these streets multiple times a week- I know exactly where this is. My comment was in reference to several crimes involving guns and discharging of weapons within a few streets in under six months. I live in the city, too. When serious crimes are repeatedly happening in a particular section of the neighborhood, it seems on the mark to be concerned that something is going on. My comment didn't say the neighborhood is bad. Serious crime is disturbing and we should never feel complacent about these crimes, even if "this is the city."
I was stabbed on Humboldt ave
I was stabbed on Humboldt ave 4 years ago hung there for 3 years not a good area
hope officers pulls through
Good the suspect was killed. Otherwise he'd be back in this thug hood tomorrow morning with a new gun.
Updated post with officer's name
And his award for helping save the life of that MBTA officer during the 2013 Tsarnaev shootout in Watertown.
Confrontation at the shooting scene
Language NSFW. Via Caulkthewagon.
Assholes
What a bunch of antagonizing assholes.
"Everyone put their hands up"
God help me....
This happens when a neighborhood loses trust in the police
The BPD needs to ask itself what it needs to do to regain that trust.
Re: BPD needs to ask itself what it needs to do to regain trust
Wow, amazing restraint by those officers and a despicable display by the protesters. Ron, as for your question, the BPD should do a couple of things. Demand that Gov. Baker appoint some very strict judges who will start putting some of these criminals away for a long time, especially since the 41 year-old who attempted to kill the officer is now revealed to have had several gun priors but is back on the street shooting at police. Once the gunmen are put away, the BPD could then focus on unruly crowds like the one shown in the video.
The BPD should also hire a number of professional videographers so when a group like that, especially the loud male and overweight female, are lawfully advised to move back several times, they can be taken into custody with everything caught on video, including the near certain resisting arrest and the false claims of brutality. Those tapes could then be used in the schools to show young children how not to act.
Very well said, O-FISH-L
.
Or you know, you could just
Or you know, you could just ignore it and keep doing what you needed to, just like the BPD, and move people back. And avoid any unnecessary further antagonizing of the crowd w/ legally justifiable arrest. You know, the kind of arrests that would send a message, just like you want.
Forget about what you need to do, and let's hit home the law and order message instead! It always works, ask Ferguson!
IF they are from the neighborhood.
IF they are from the neighborhood. Then yes, what you suggest would benefit the BPD, the neighborhood, and the City.
I wonder whether the shouters and yellers are in fact from the neighborhood, and whether their apparent beefs with BPD were legit in any way.
Or are they just trouble-making outsiders?
I understand your sentiment.
I understand your sentiment. But this same exact argument was used against Martin Luther King and civil rights protestors. "They're not from here; they're rabble rousers". Second paragraph.
While I don't know how to categorize the video above, I would caution you to show some restraint w/ blaming non-neighborhood folks for starting trouble, in general. If no one started any trouble, there would be little progress in solving many vexing issues in society.
Serious? A police officer was
Serious? A police officer was shot in the head - you have to be a complete and utter asshole to start trouble at this time. What does it help, or what cause is it furthering? As far as I can tell it the video just shows complete and utter assholes being assholes for no reason.
"I would caution you to show
"I would caution you to show some restraint w/ blaming non-neighborhood folks for starting trouble, in general."
I'll emphasize and not in particular. There, is that more clear for you? I just find that line of argument to be often disingenuous, that's all. Just a caution.
Haven't watched the video yet but
Can I just point out that maybe suggesting that the BPD do some introspection about how to "regain that trust" when a police officer--by all accounts a solid guy--is in a coma is a little...insensitive?? This just doesn't seem to be the time to be hand-wringing over what the cops may be doing wrong or systemic injustice.
Do watch the video, then
and you'll see why I posted what I did. In a neighborhood where people place more trust in the police, the yelling and screaming and shoving shown in the video would not have occurred. Instead, the neighbors would have quietly helped police do their jobs, or at least stayed out of their way.
This video clearly demonstrates little hope for change
from the community. These folks tolerate kids shooting each other routinely. Its now acceptable to shoot the police. No personal responsibility just blame the police. Soon we will have the same old "community leaders" demanding their neighbors choose "sides". Their "side" will not be one of law and order but the same old Sharpton like circus. The cycle will continue until we have real leaders step up. They are out there and we need them now more than ever.
The true racists
The true racists.
They automatically rush to support a man who shot a cop in the face based upon nothing but the fact that the man is a minority, I'm willing to bet that. If you don't agree, you're blind.
If you call them on their bullshit, then you're the racist, and because of that there will never be a true open and honest discussion on race.
It does nothing for the cause.
This country is fractured at the fault of those at the highest level of office who bend to this mindset because they're afraid of losing votes.
Go ahead, flame me. And then you can go eff yourselves.
What's racist is painting an entire community based on a few
No. What's racist is painting an entire community based on a few hellions. Our country fractured for a number of reasons - greed, corruption, and injustice to name a few.
I live in this community and am telling you that no community should be defined by a small group. Folks are upset and shaken about what happened to this police officer. Why do you insist on using such a broad brush to paint everyone in the community and blame them for the state of this country?
THIS
I agree 100% and I'm concerned that so many people seem so unable to see the inherent wrongness (in terms of accuracy and morality) of thinking that way. I see it in the "HBLOC THUGS" comments and the "ACAB" comments, and they're identically stupid. People who rightly take deep offense at being labeled as criminals for where they live or how they dress think nothing of labeling another group criminals because of their job or uniform, and vice versa. The polarization of public discourse just has to end if we're going to make progress. For once, just once, I wish there were a way to make sweeping-generalizers consider their comment from the opposite perspective.
Your concern is what exactly?
Who here is labeling an entire neighborhood as criminals (if they are, they're certainly narrow-minded and wrong to do so)? Though if so, that is your big concern? Really?
Not the sound you hear daily of shots getting cooked off down the street? Your big concern is with words from some internet asshole (myself included)?
I'm sure words hurt, but bullets hurt even more, so I've been told at least.
How about focusing on getting your neighborhood back? And not trying to find a creative way to be outraged over someone using the phrase "HBLOC THUGS" and extrapolating it to mean an entire neighborhood.
Because you know, just maybe they are referring to the "HBLOC THUGS" as those people who are doing the actual shootings that keeps your neighborhood a war zone, and not that darling family down the street with the honor roll students.
Ugh
Ugh, here we go again.
Please point out to me exactly where in my post I said an entire community was at fault.
I said "they", as in "those" people who were stirring the pot. As in, you know, the people in the fucking video I'm commenting on. Jesus Christ.
Don't try to divert the issue by attempting to pin that whole "racially insensitive white guy" bullshit on me.
It has NEVER been acceptable to shoot the police.
Like Most Youtube videos, this one captures one side -a small side- of this story.
The truth is that many people in this community are saddened by what happened to this officer. But I guess those folks don't record videos and upload them to Youtube.
I watched the video
And watching the video does not make these folk look good. Essentially, they heard that someone was shot by a cop and rushed to the scene to make trouble. "Assault", "get your hands up" and all the obscenities- these people were not there for any good reason, just seemingly hoping to provoke the cops. The trouble is that this is Boston, not Missouri.
I came away from watch the video amazed at the patience of the cops. If a coworker of mine was at death's door (at the time, thankfully the word today is brighter) and I had to deal with this, my patience would be thin.
Exactly
The people in that video have not lost trust in the police. They apparently never had respect for the police to begin with. They were there to antagonize, provoke and take advantage of the situation. Their attempts failed because the officers on site were calm, collected and more respectful than those claiming assault. It was, however, a small group of people so I would argue that their behavior might not be reflective of those who actually live in that area.
And why would that be?
Not unlike, say, certain other neighborhoods in the last century that had no respect for the rule of law (code of silence, ahem)?
Swirl that code of silence
has been replaced by todays residents ignoring their neighbor at Starbucks. Speaking of Starbucks this is a perfect opportunity for Starbucks to open a shop on H-Block and having a discussion on race.
Starbucks? in Charlestown?
Not that I've ever seen.
Thanks
Can you just run down the murder rate on Humboldt Ave vs. in all of Charlestown for us? I'm sure it will support your implication.
Agree completely.
The grim eagerness to provoke a confrontation and get it on video is beyond depressing.
Well said Waquoit
I watched the video, and don't think this has anything to do with the trust of the community. There were only a handful of people there (assuming they were even from the community). As noted above, there are many good people in the neighborhood and they didn't get their cell phones and start a fight with police officers who just saw their colleague shot in the ace point blank.
There are some legitimate concerns about police acting in ways that cause the public to lose trust in them, this isn't one of them. Those individuals should be ashamed of themselves.
What would you suggest exactly?
Watching the video reminds me yet again why I'd make a lousy police officer because watching this crowd grow combative and hysterical in the aftermath of an incident where a career criminal attacks a police officer without provocation fills me with rage. I don't think I'd have been able to exercise the same restraint.
My point though--a neighborhood that "trusts" the police is not going to be the same neighborhood where there are nightly shootings. Does the onus rest on the police to work with the community to build trust? Of course. But you have to ask as well--what responsibility lies with the community to build that relationship? Is the BPD perfect? Surely not. But Boston isn't Ferguson either. And to continually demonize police officers without sound reason just undermines the credibility of those of us who'd like to see actual change, to see neighborhoods safer and better.
Ron, Come On
The people in that video would have done the same thing with any police department in any city. They went looking for trouble and got even angrier when they couldn't bait the cops into giving it to them it. I came away with much more respect for BPD then anyone else in that clip.
Except that the BPD has an
Except that the BPD has an excellent track record (especially lately) of apprehending suspects (with guns or even shooting at them) with out shooting them. I don't think these people are indicative of the neighborhood - if they are, what a shitty place with shitty people.
And I'm not saying the police did anything wrong here
The video doesn't, in my view, show any police misconduct. But it does show a neighborhood whose residents don't have a friendly or trustful relationship with the police. The problem isn't what happened last night, but what has happened earlier.
I doh't think you'd see a similar scene in Magoun Square or Inman Square, in smaller cities where the police have done a better job of working with the local community.
Sorry, still a stretch.
These are a handful of people. That could happen anywhere and doesn't make a small group any more representative of an entire neighborhood, never mind somehow reflective of an entire community's view of the police. Your point may be valid in other contexts, but seems wholly inapplicable to this particular situation.
While we're making broad generalization, I'd say these people are more representative of wannabe "activists" trying to create their 15 minutes of fame.
I'm grateful (a) that the majority of neighborhood residents don't appear to have acted like this and (b) BPD is trained to de-escalate and respond calmly rather than respond in kind.
That is complete BS. Better
That is complete BS. Better job of working with the local community? The BPD officers do a lot for the local community. They are in the schools, they work with the youth in various sports programs, all on their own time. At some point the onus is on the community and the willingness of the community members to work with the police.
Wha huh?
Magoun Square? Inman Square? And you think these areas are safer than Humboldt Ave. because the police have done better community outreach? Honestly...it's clueless stuff like this that make people roll their eyes at "liberals" which, speaking as a liberal, ticks me off.
How can the police trust a
neighborhood with residents who refuse to take ownership to stop the murder and violence perpetrated over and over and over again. The cycle of denying personal responsibility goes on unabated.
The murderer wasn't from this neighborhood
He's from Hyde Park, according to Adam's latest update. This neighborhood is just where he happened to commit the crime.
And now from looking at the tweets
from @caulkthewagon it seems as if a bunch of eager young idiots DID in fact rush to the scene to, you know, be helpful and document any possible beating or teargassing that might ensue. Again...you guys want to know why the Occupy movement fell apart? Because of you. Thanks for everything. Really.
Formerly of Roxbury
I don't think we need to nitpick too much about the neighborhood.
Does this come from one of
Does this come from one of the "activists" you retweeted on Twitter? Some of whom were calling the officers pigs and just spitting horrific, biased vitriol.
Activists, eh Adam?
Wow. What a disgusting
Wow. What a disgusting display. Cops have a much tougher job than most give them credit for. Not to mention dealing with cretins like this.
Wow, caulkthewagon and the
Wow, caulkthewagon and the people she retweets are complete assholes. Yes, it's racist to shoot a suspect after he shoots a cop in the face; yes, it's racist to ask people to move back while they conduct an investigation; yes, it's racist to leave a body out and keep the crime scene as pure as possible.
These out of town occupy types that want to find prejudice and racism in everything are ridiculous. You think BPD is bad? Apparently, they know nothing about places like LA, Chicago, etc. These people move here from some whack ass suburban town and shout racism at everything to validate their white guilt and try to be more urban. Fuck out of here with that. I really think these people make racism worse. Go experience life and realize that shitheads come in all colors and genders. Then you can start to look at everybody the same.
They're not from out of town,
They're not from out of town, all of these people have lived in Boston since at least Occupy Boston. They were the ones busy ruining it by turning it from a protest against economic injustice into a protest against... I'm not even sure what.
ugh.
These videos are like Rorschach tests - you'll see in them what fits what you already think. At the end of all of it (as far as I know) it looks like no one got arrested and the cops didn't lose their shit which is something to note given that they had one of their own shot in the face and police aren't usually known to be so stoic under those conditions.
Whether or not any of the people in the street knew that a cop was shot, we don't know. We also don't know what set everyone off, aside from being told to step back because the crime scene area was being expanded hours after the actual event. Again we have no idea as to why. I'm assuming having the shooter's corpse laying the street for around five hours was not seen favorably by on-lookers, but again I have no clue. Adding to my ignorance parade I have no clue as to crime scene investigation procedures when it comes to leaving a body in the street, so I won't question that, but in terms of the current environment around police and the black community, the optics aren't the best as people are very aware of how long bodies are left lying at crime scenes and it's being viewed as a deliberate act of disrespect and intimidation. Did they put up a curtain or something?
Mix all these things up and you have a shit-stew. Hope the best for the injured and thoughts are with their families and that of the deceased.
More footage
There are two other videos posted by the same fine citizen (called DEEP ABIDING LOVE of course). Definitely worth a look to get perspective of the mentality of the mob enjoying all the action on Humboldt.
Watch how charming, intelligent, and well-mannered the crowd is here when the Chief explains an officer was shot in the face.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIEvLohIhls
And here's what the videographer finds entertaining in his/her deep abiding loving spare time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULzA1vSOqaM
Sigh
Very tragic. Any loss of life is tragic when it's unnecessary. I really hope Moynihan recovers and is able to rejoin his family. At the same time I don't think I'd be one to shed a tear if otherwise. Only some will understand why I feel like this. But first I want to say those who blame judges for these situations are probably the most disconnected from reality.
Massachusetts is the most balanced state at the judicial level as a whole. Not every judge is the same which creates balance. Before you blame judges for letting people who been arrested out with light sentences, think about all the bullshit reasons cops attempt to justify probable cause. Or the amount of cases they hear where their hands are tied because the cops "testimony" is far from credible even though that same judge will state they believe the cop is credible. It happens.
Cops are probably the best fictional writers ever. Their so creative with their police reports that sometimes anyone can read it and point out in consistencies. I've seen over and over again cases being thrown out at a motion because a decent lawyer was able to expose a cop on the stand under oath. That's when cops are the most vunerable, when they have to think on their feet. No time for sarge to review your answer. No coaching from the DA. That's when the ball gets dropped. Its not the judges fault. It's the bullshit that comes out of their own mouths that ties the judges hand when their job is to uphold the law regardless of the outcome.
Still reading? Great.
Now adressing my lack of compassion or whatever it is for the wounded cop. When my brother was killed on a cold early morning few years back we waited from 9 am till almost midnight for the body to be picked up off the floor and brought to the coroner to identify him. During this time there was an array of cops at the scene. Detectives, plain clothes, uniformed officers. Almost all of them didn't care we were mourning. As they stood behind their yellow line they joked with each other. Laughed. 2 of them were flirting. None cared that his mother was there crying feet away from them. Not one. That's when everyone there said fuck a cop, and we have LEO in our family. We asked them to stop and they were offended. It was the whole can't ask a cop to do anything they don't want to do thing. You know they run themselves and answer to no one attitude. We became offended they were offended and then it erupted. They didn't care, they were there working. And there workplace humor was superior to our mourning feet away from our deceased.
I don't wish death on anyone and that's why I really do hope this officer is able to rejoin his family. At the same time it's tragic anyone died like this. His family is left to deal with the loss. And their pain is just as real as any of ours. What I see in the video is just more of the same old shit. Insensitivity on both parts and a lack of value of the sanctity of life.
Oh please
Those cops were there to investigate a murder, not to give you a hug and a shoulder to cry on. Also, why did your alleged brother allegedly get shot? I'm guessing he was involved in something that put him at a higher risk of lead overdose, wasn't he?
You're very compassionate.
You're very compassionate.
As was RNS when he wrote that he was
pretty much indifferent to whether or not the cop dies. Maybe there's a kind of compassion exhaustion but no, I can't say I have a lot of compassion for the shooter. Can we just remember that guys like this aren't only a threat to cops--they are a threat to EVERYONE and in particular people in their own neighborhoods? Every "good kid" who ends up getting dragged into criminal stuff, every kid shot because of "mistaken identity" because they looked like some gangbanger, not to mention the people like Louis D. Jordan and Dawnn Jaffier, God rest their souls, who were working actively to make this city better and happened to be "in the wrong place at the wrong time." This toxic bullshit has got to stop and the answer has to come from within the communities where the violence is happening. And the answer is NOT going to come from a bunch of idiotic hotheads with cellphones trying to bait the police while they're trying to do their job.
Rant over.
RNS wrote a long and winding
RNS wrote a long and winding post in which explained his/her bitterness and lack of empathy, though he did wish the officer to recover. I may not agree with the sentiment, but I am able to empathize. Something horrible happened to his/her brother. Enough said.
The anon didn't know the brother who was killed but rushed to judge and jump to the worst conclusions. With absolutely no evidence. I just wanted to point that out.
So, in summary
You'd be okay if this guy died, because some of his coworkers were a bit callous to you a while back. His murder would be okay in your eyes.
With all due respect, the
With all due respect, the cops aren't at murder scenes to be sensitive. While that may sound harsh, it's a fact. They are not there to attend to you or your family's needs, they are not there to be compassionate, and they are certainly not there to cater to anyone except the investigation. Some of them may do some of those things, and good for them, but it's not (and shouldn't be) a requirement.
And suggesting that insensitivity justifies wanting cops dead is an absolute joke.
"Not shedding a tear" is
"Not shedding a tear" is quite different from wanting someone dead, isn't it? RNS even wishes the officer's recovery. Twice. I know it's buried with everything else there, but come on. Nice straw man argument.
I was wondering why Humboldt
I was wondering why Humboldt was blocked off for so long. Question for anyone who actually knows the answer: Is it standard to leave the deceased suspect lying in the street for hours after a police-related shooting? I remember it happening a couple years ago in Dorchester. Is there a reason they need the actual body to remain at the scene? (Trust me, I'm not being naive, I'm just a natural information gatherer.)
What a messed up situation all around. I wish everyone's bodies a speedy recovery. Unfortunately, seeing this kind of thing stays in the mind for a really long time, whether it's cop-related or not. People either forget, don't care, or never consider that the vast majority of residents here are regular people going about our business. This shit isn't normal or deserved.
Crime Scene Investigation and Evidence Collection
The work of the Crime Scene investigators is very tedious and takes a long time to process. With 1 person dead and another critical this is a major crime scene where ALL the tools of the Crime Scene and Crime Lab will be used. It's not a TV show. Locating, marking, sketching, measuring, identifying, photographing, videotaping and collection need to be done in a professional manner. Once the person is dead the remains stay at the scene. All the work that the these behind the scene Crime Scene professionals do will impact the outcome of any criminal or civil litigation that may drag out forever. These Crime Scene people are professionals and maintaining a secure crime is required so they can do the work correctly. I
Ah, thanks. Perhaps there
Ah, thanks. Perhaps there aren't a whole lot of cases where a person is declared deceased at the scene, or it's just not reported that they were lying in the street for hours unless it's a "special" case like this.
It Depends What EMTs Say
If he's got even a prayer of surviving, they get him to the hospital. If he's dead and no chance of bringing him back, he stays and the scene isn't disturbed. This is the case in most city homicides but it only became an issue for a lot of people after Mike Brown. Position, location, distance from gun, shell casings, etc can be critical in establishing what happenedt, whether it was cop-on-civilian or civilian-on-civilian. From an investigator's perspective, it would be kind of fishy if they moved a body they didn't have to, but police are now under pressure to do exactly that, which can lead to the very allegation of evidence tampering that they'd avoid by leaving the body in place.
Block in the news
Same block as recent post of Archive photo from 1961:
http://www.universalhub.com/2015/and-they-gave-out-sh-green-stamps
What "housing crisis?"
Seems to be plenty of housing for these dirtbag sponges.
You know where they live? Do
You know where they live? Do you have any other relevant insider information you'd like to share? I'm sure BPD would appreciate any help you could give.
Yeah!
Benghazi!
er...?
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
Side Topic: Poor TV News 'reporting"
Channel 7 TV news just broadcast (around 9am Saturday) that the officers were on a 'routine traffic stop".
Above in this thread, someone noted that the traffic stop was related to a prior shooting, I also suspect that the Youth Violence Strike Force doesn't too often stop mom who rolled through a stop sign but rather stops car-loads of gang-bangers for anything they can stop them for.
My point is that TV news is horrible, and their reporters are little more than pretty faces without a clue.
Hyde Park
So, why are all these people in this "Hyde Park" such cop hating murdering thugs?
See how that works ...
Did you not watch the above
Did you not watch the above video? With all the profanity and such?
Officer remains in critical condition
Update from police/DA press conference this morning.
Wouldn't it be nice if we
Wouldn't it be nice if we could Ctl Alt Del all these terrorizing punks in the neighborhood I've lived in for 25years?
To those commenting that
To those commenting that people in that neighborhood weren't supporting the cops: you are full of crap. NECN broadcast interviews of neighbors that were pulling for the cop and were disgusted by the violence that went down.