
Dark lines show pedestrian routes: Note absence of sidewalk on T-stop side of street.
State officials said tonight the Casey Overpass demolition begins in earnest this weekend, when crews shut off the side heading towards Jamaica Pond and begin diverting traffic onto the new temporary surface road they've built.
Next weekend, the other side of the overpass, towards Morton Street, will be shut, which will be followed by seven to eight months of demolition of the aging hulk of a bridge, followed by more than a year of construction of new permanent surface roads and bike paths. The project will also include turning Shea Circle into a signalized intersection.
At a construction-update meeting at English High School, officials acknowledged that Mother's Day weekend is one of the busiest of the year at the neighboring Arnold Arboretum, but said arboretum officials expressed no concern about the changes - which were delayed earlier this year by all our snow.
Most of the immediate changes that people who travel around the overpass will see once both sides of the overpass are shut will happen along the side where Washington Street turns into South Street as it crosses New Washington Street.
Crews will block off the sidewalk on the train-station side of the road - pedestrians who want to walk from the T up South Street will first have to cross the street.
Motorists will no longer be able to turn left onto South Street from the Arborway. And as they head towards what used to be the overpass from the Jamaicaway, they'll have to decide between a right lane, which will put them onto Washington Street and a left lane, which will carry them along the new temporary road to Shea Circle.
Bicyclists trying to head into Roslindale from the Southwest Corridor or Franklin Park will have to cross South Street, then follow the bike lane south.
All of this could have been dealt with in roughly 15 minutes. As with past such construction-update meetings, however, the people who want the overpass replaced with another overpass - or just left as the existing overpass - attempted to turn the session into a rally for their side, complete with signs, exhortations by one speaker after another and attempts to shout down and ridicule anybody who actually thought the project is a good idea.
Jeff Ferris, the leader of Bridge Forest Hills, accused state officials of trying to hide costs when they acknowledged the $71 million price tag for the overpass work does not include another $10 million worth of work at the Forest Hills T station, which will include new berth areas for the 39 bus and school buses and improvements to make the station more accessible to the disabled.
Ferris said state officials should be proud of their project, if they really believe in it. "Where's the pride?!?" he yelled. "Where's the pride?!?" State officials asked him to let somebody else speak before he could start yelling "Attica! Attica!"
City Councilor Charles Yancey rose to announce the City Council will hold a hearing on the overpass project - long after state officials announced their final plans for dealing with the fact the bridge is falling apart. While Yancey emphasized he does not necessarily believe people in ambulances heading to the medical area from Mattapan and Dorchester will die in traffic, he feels it's a question worth exploring - and that he will demand answers from city emergency-services and traffic officials.
Other pro-bridge people demanded state officials alter the electronic signboards that now alert people as far away as Dedham about the Casey "work," because it's not "work," it's a complete "demolition" and motorists should know that - and be told electronically that the work will take two years and that the overpass will be gone forever. One woman even figured out how to say all that in the limited number of characters allowed on a flashing signboard.
State highway officials said they'd take a look at that but cautioned they probably won't tinker with statewide guidelines for how to alert motorists to work zones they might soon drive into - and that the average motorist is not going to care how long the project will take, only that they're about to head into it.
A Mattapan resident said she was upset to learn about the project so late in the game and said state officials still are not doing enough to notify residents of areas such as Mattapan and Dorchester about the project.
Ferris waved a copy of the legal notice for tonight's meeting in the Bay State Banner and showed it to a young woman in the audience, asking her "Can you read this?"
Unfortunately for Ferris, she answered "yes."
Unlike at some past meetings, a number of people did rise to support the project, saying they can't wait for the new bike paths, sidewalks and parkland its completion will bring.
But they sometimes had to make themselves heard over the boos and harrumphs of the anti-bridge crowd. When Pete Stidman, president of the pro-surface Boston Cyclists Union, said he had lived in JP for eight years, one woman yelled "Dude, take your eight years and go somewhere else! We've been here 30 years!"

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What?
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 8:26pm
In the bottom of a locked filing cabinet? In a disused lavatory with a sign that says beware of leopard?
Mattapan was there
By LLK
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 8:58am
State Rep. Russell Holmes, who represents parts of Dorchester, Mattapan, Hyde Park, Roslindale, and JP, attended most of the Casey meetings during the long planning process. And I believe he hosted a couple of meetings in Mattapan and Dorchester. So while every resident may not have been in attendance, Rep. Holmes ably represented the interests of those neighborhoods during the process.
Sometimes I think that constructive and civil participation like his gets overlooked and that only grandstanders like Yancy, who swoop in at the 11th hour to hold useless hearings, get rewarded by voters. Sadly.
love the photo
By 500Monkeys
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 9:09am
Love the photo of the woman trying to pass for four sign holders. That's BFH in a nutshell: exaggerate everything.
Wouldn't the bridge be torn down anyway?
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 1:18pm
Their Move On petition to Governor Baker - the one that ignores the environmental impact and mitigation paperwork that is readily available - cites the demolition as being immoral, bad for motherhood, illegal, fatal, killing people, etc.
Wouldn't a rebuild require demolition anyway? I thought that was a major reason for the at-grade: the bridge was not fixable.
As I understand it, the "not fixable" portion
By roadman
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 1:56pm
of the Casey was the bridge deck. Had they decided to replace the bridge instead of going with the at-grade plan being constructed, they would have likely re-used the piers and abutments and possibly rehabilitated some, if not most, of the structural steel. While replacing the deck would have still involved some demolition, the extent would have been far less than with removing the entire structure.
Of course, when all was said and done, we still would have wound up with basically a carbon copy of the existing bridge - besides cost considerations, this was one of the principal reasons the at-grade option being constructed was selected instead.
That having been said, the people crying about the demolition resulting in widespread disease, chaos, dogs and cats living together, etc., etc. should really step back and take the advice stated in the name of their petition.
In other words, this whole thing has been studied and debated to death, and a decision was rendered and is being implemented. So let's just move on.
I thought the piers had issues, too
By Waquiot
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 2:22pm
Back in the late 80s they did a bunch of work on the deck. I thought what doomed the bridge was the quality of steel used in its construction, owing a lot to the Korean War and unrest in the steel industry.
I'll say it until I'm old and gray. Okay older and gray if I don't go bald first. It's a nice bridge with a nice view that does not really blight the area at all, due to the fact it was built to sky over the elevated and spanned a valley. I'll miss it, and hopefully I will not be missing it while stuck in traffic due to its demise.
While the piers had issues
By roadman
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 2:42pm
it's my understanding that they weren't so severe that they would have to been totally demolished. It's actually very rare in any sort of major bridge reconstruction that does not involve a deck widening or other significant changes to the structure to have to do that.
You have a point about the steel. But again, setting new steel (or precast concrete) beams on rehabbed piers is hardly an unusual procedure - that's exactly what MassDOT did with the I-93 Medford Fast 14 bridges.
And I respect your viewpoints about the bridge. Personally, I'm not convinced that the "problems" with the existing bridge justified going with the at-grade option. However, as I stated previously, the alternatives were discussed in multiple public forums, arguments made on both sides, and an informed decision made and committed to.
The fact that, despite all this, some people are still attempting to debate the merits of a project that construction has already begun on is, to put it politely, very unfortunate. And if certain people chose not to get involved in the public process early on, that is hardly MassDOT's fault. After all, it's not like those initial public meetings were held in Pittsfield, let alone on Alpha Centurai.
From the files of the Jamaica
By kvn
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 9:14am
[img]http://www.jamaicaplainnews.com/wp-content/uploads...
From the files of the Jamaica Plain Historical Society, this is a view of construction of the Casey Overpass in 1952 or 1953.
Was there any discussion of
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 9:41am
Was there any discussion of whether there will be short term changes to the 39?
Yep
By adamg
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 10:06am
Although in the greater scheme of things, it didn't sound like much (but what do I know?). They'll be moving the 39 stop a bit closer to the train station, so they can take down the overpass without worrying about the bus and its riders (similarly, they'll be putting in some temporary decking to keep bridge chunks from plummeting onto the commuter-rail platform).
Longer term, the 39 will join up with its friends the 34, 35, 36, 37, 40 and 50 in a newly expanded upper busway along Washington Street.
Okay, thank you -- MBTA of
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 11:00am
Okay, thank you -- MBTA of course hasn't said anything yet and the last thing I wanted to do was show up monday morning and not have a way to work :)
However, the T spent most of the morning
By roadman
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 2:51pm
sending out alerts about weekend busitution diversions that won't happen for over a month from now.
39 loop changes
By 500Monkeys
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 12:03pm
only other minor nuance: the current 39 terminus loop gets stretched a bit very soon towards the east/Franklin Park direction to allow for demolition of the overpass above. They said the upper busway (future home) construction/demo will begin within 30 days and continue for "about a year".
The ability to debate is..
By Ann Weatherbee
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 9:41am
what makes this country so great!
You know who could really use a bridge ...
By adamg
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 10:02am
James Madden 'shopped part of my photo from the meeting:
Has there ever been discussion of adding Amtrak at F. Hills?
By Franklin
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 10:22am
Was wondering today if anyone's ever looked into the possibility of adding a Northwest Corridor Amtrak stop at Forest Hills. Now would be a perfect time to do it. The trains all run through there anyway, and it would be awesome to have an option to NYC, Providence, etc. right in the neighborhood. I mean it's not a big deal to get to Back Bay from Rozzie or JP on the commuter rail or orange line, but it would be another way to connect the area to the wider world really easily. I suppose the red tape involved in adding a couple of Quick-Track machines and some sort of station attendant at Forest Hills is probably vast, though.
Terrible idea
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 12:07pm
The benefit of intercity rail would be further eroded if we start adding stops for convenience along the route. Add a stop in Forrest Hills, then why not at some other local spot along the route, say between 128 and Providence? As you say, it's very easy to get to Back Bay station via bus or MBTA.
Or just more CR at Forest Hills?
By KSquared
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 3:11pm
I'm biased since I work right at Forest Hills, but I am a little surprised that only the Needham line stops at Forest Hills.
Granted the same argument of "Just take the Orange line from Ruggles" applies but that's an extra 10-xx minutes (depending on delays and such) to backtrack.
This is a good idea
By Waquiot
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 4:11pm
But amazingly tough to achieve.
It's been a long time since I've taken the CR from Forest Hills, but there is only the one platform on the side of the main line, and it gets busy. This is as opposed to Hyde Park, which has 2 platforms and an express track.
I suppose if Forest Hills got more commercial space or better links to areas with jobs, the demand would be there. Of course, they could also expand the Orange Line to Readville or Route 128, but those seem much, much less likely, despite the pent up demand.
An Orange Line extension to
By roadman
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 6:06pm
Route 128 station would be very difficult to reasonably achieve, principally for right of way reasons and minimizing interference with the CR and freight junctions at Readville.
IMHO, one of the biggest failings of Governor Sargent's eventual cancellation of the expanded Boston Area highway network in the early 1970s was the fact that no provisions were made to still construct the extended transit lines that were proposed. OL south of Forest Hills was supposed to run in the median of the Southwest Expressway at least to Route 128 in Canton.
replace the needham line with the orange line
By anon
Sat, 05/09/2015 - 12:53am
and one stop to Roslindale is currently doable.
Nope
By Waquiot
Sat, 05/09/2015 - 5:39pm
Not without a lot of property taking around the, um, "Village."
Eh, Needham only access is
By KBHer
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 4:37pm
Eh, Needham only access is really the only thing that's possible at FH. P/S is too packed at peak to be making stops that are redundant with rapid transit, Shoehorning the Franklin in (when it uses the mainline and not the Fairmount bypass) screws up the already tight Needham schedules (the Needham line is dying a slow death - eventually expanded southside CR and Amtrak will choke it off to uselessness), the Amtrak regionals and high-speeds have no reason to stop there - basically the main line needs to be kept flowing at a good clip, stopping at FH screws with that and hinders more important lines. It's also easy enough to get there from Readville, HP, Ruggles etc... Yes it's a 10 min delay, but that's the best solution given our current circumstance
Move-on Petition Hyperbole via Facebook
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 11:19am
Yep. The grapes are so sour, hydrochloric acid will certainly issue forth! That would be tragic, maybe criminal, lethal ...
Not sure why I got this on FB, though. I don't really care, so long as we aren't wasting state money on structures if they don't need to be there.
Neighborhood Redevelopment
By Bobston
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 11:31am
I work in housing and neighborhood redevelopment. This project is going to be huge for the south side of JP, where I also live. While I don't necessarily agree with the pattern of the future surface roads, I firmly believe it won't nearly be as big of an issue as these dissenters are trying to sell it as. Not only will traffic likely [i]improve[/i] due to better coordination of the (less) traffic lights, but opening up the space will make it more attractive to developers to improve existing housing, increase the housing stock (which will bring more people), and bring new businesses to the area.
The BRA has already approved The Commons at Forest Hills Station for example.
I love JP, but I don't think many can argue that the south side of JP is necessarily the best it could be. This is just the first step in making it better. As stated earlier, I honestly feel like these people will be eating crow in a few years when they see how much better taking the overpass down actually is to this area.
And on the other side of the station ...
By adamg
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 11:39am
The Parcel U project got BRA approval in December.
South of JP
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 12:11pm
I've accepted this as a fait accompli and hope it works well, but I do think the benefits of the renovation are going to be heavily in favor of the immediate locals at the expense of everyone else in this part of the city (people from Hyde Park, Roslindale, Mattapan). So yeah, south JP will benefit and south of JP will suffer.
TBD.
You might be right
By SC from JP
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 3:19pm
But isn't that the way it should be? Neighborhoods should be designed for the people living in them, not the people driving through them. Urban planners in the middle of the last century usually had those priorities backwards, and their legacy has been a disaster in so many cities.
Rerun comment
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 8:28pm
I know I've made this point before but I think there is a difference between knocking down a neighborhood to create regional infrastructure and knocking down regional infrastructure to benefit a local neighborhood. Simply put, the lower income neighborhoods of Hyde Park, Mattapan and Roslindale are going to possibly suffer an impact to their ease of access to the parts of the city where the best health care and best jobs are while a relatively affluent area (JP) will see some improvements. Someone in JP already has the orange line and the 39 bus and can easily ride their bike to the medical areas and colleges.
No-one involved on either side of this lived in the area before this was built, so it's a bit like complaining about Fenway park when you live in the Fenway. Not that it can't be improved but it's not imposing something on a neighborhood.
We'll see. I'm not going to get too outraged about it although it will certainly degrade my personal transportation life for the coming years.
possibly + suffer
By 500Monkeys
Sat, 05/09/2015 - 8:58am
That "possibly suffer" part has two elements. "Possibly" only comes about if you reject the data used or if the data is wrong. "Suffer" flows from that unless you consider a projected 90 second delay in the year 2035 to be suffering.
I agree! I think opening the
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 12:49pm
I agree! I think opening the link between south JP and Forest Hills -- and south JP and Rozzie - is only going to do great things for both neighborhoods.
I know for a fact that some
By anon
Fri, 05/08/2015 - 8:06pm
I know for a fact that some people in the BFH crowd are mostly concerned that surface grade makes area more attractive to development. Keep a bridge, keep the area crappy, keep developers away, block gentrification.
They know what blocking the expressway did to JP, they don't want to make the same mistake in Forest Hills.
Bridge is closed-ish
By Waquiot
Sat, 05/09/2015 - 11:09pm
After driving over it with junior late this morning (we were in the park and headed to Dedham), I tried to do the same with the missus at around 7. The inbound side was closed (of course, the way we were going) but the outbound side was open.
Mind you, this was a week-end evening, but things went well.
Of course, those of you wincing at some of us bitching know that the actual former Casey traffic is not our concern. We'll see how things go coming from Roslindale on Monday morning. Of course, my feeling is that Paul will have his pockets picked with the new configuration so that Peter's commute will be no more than 90 seconds longer, but that remains to be seen.
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