Mayor Walsh, city councilors Michael Flaherty and Michelle Wu and state Sen. Linda Dorcena Forry this morning backed residents opposed to a Starbucks at L Street and East Broadway, saying there are already enough coffee options in the area, that a Starbucks would exacerbate morning traffic woes at the intersection and would help to eat away at the family-oriented, mom-and-pop nature of the commercial district east of Perkins Square.
"There's not really a public need for another coffee shop," John Allison, the mayor's neighborhood liaison for South Boston, said at a Boston Licensing Board hearing this morning.
City Councilor Bill Linehan (South Boston) was the only elected official to voice support for the proposed Starbucks. An aide told the board that Linehan has "always supported retail use for that part of Broadway;" he pointed to the neighboring Tasty Burger and Dunkin' Donuts, which Linehan also supported. State Rep. Nick Collins (D-South Boston), neither attended nor sent an aide to testify.
The board decides tomorrow whether to grant Starbucks a food-serving license for a 39-seat Starbucks open from 5 a.m to 11 p.m. - or grant residents the 30-day deferral they asked for. Developer Michael Norton had originally proposed a sit-down restaurant for the space, but shelved that plan when the licensing board wouldn't give him a liquor license.
At the hearing, residents said L and Broadway is already a morning battlefield for kids walking to school, people getting on a T bus to downtown and commuters coming all the way from the South Shore on L Street.
But beyond that, residents said City Point doesn't need another coffee shop, especially not one controlled by a distant corporation in a neighborhood where most shop owners live locally.
Residents noted at least five outlets within 700 feet of the location that already serve coffee. The owners of three of those businesses - Molly Moo's, Boston Bagel Co. and Cranberry Cafe - testified against the proposal. Molly Moo's owner Mohammed Nahas predicted Starbucks would put him out of business and that it would suck money out of South Boston and send it out of town to "a big entity," never to return.
Other residents said the locally owned shops - and the locally based owner of the Dunkin' Donuts - always give back to the community, something they said the big chains such as Rite-Aid, CVS and Starbucks never do.
"There's only so many cups of coffee you can drink," one opponent added.
Starbucks supporter Kenny Jervis, though, begged to differ. "I drink eight cups of coffee a day," and in pursuit of a java jolt, he said, he's noticed that Starbucks has actually promoted the development of a "coffee community" in other neighborhoods, such as the Fenway, where they've opened up.
"We can't discriminate against which businesses move into the city," Jervis said, comparing Starbucks to GE, which the city actively pursued.
A Starbucks official denied the coffeehouse would kill off nearby shops. "It's a different kind of coffee shop," one that would be open late at night as an alternative to nearby bars, unlike the other local coffee servers, all of which close by early evening, she said.
She said that Starbucks has considerable support in the community. She said workers collected 100 signatures in suppoort in just a half hour standing at the nearest T bus stop.
When asked by board Chairwoman Christine Pulgini if she could agree to a 30-day deferral to try to reach some sort of armistice with neighbors, the offical said she didn't know how to answer, in part because "we were definitely caught offguard" by the opposition. Unusually for a large chain going before the licensing board, Starbucks was not represented by a local licensing and zoning attorney, or any attorney at all.
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Townies are just what the
By different anon
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 6:01pm
Townies are just what the rest of the country calls average Americans. The rest of the country goes far below townies.
And that's why
By Waquiot
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 7:14pm
Our resident yuppie left Cow Hampshire.
Afford? HAha..
By SoBo-Yuppie
Wed, 05/11/2016 - 10:37am
I can afford to live in any town in the USA.
I just choose not to live in boring places.
Wellesley , Belmont - how fun!!
You walk dogs for a living.
By anon
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 10:19pm
There's no shame in that. But you're no revolutionary.
Again ...to all, the ANON's
By bailey
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 10:42am
the Sobo-yuppie and I are not the same person.
I agree with almost all that he says so maybe he and I should meet up and have a coffee at Starbucks!!
However don't attack him if it is me you are trying to chat with. Once again, you know who I am..I don't know who you are so please feel free to stop me on the street..and lets chat.
I am here 15 years. Own multiple homes here . Single family . staying for ever to raise my family. And yes I pick up poop for a living and I am damn proud of it.
So please lets say hi to one another on the streets and see why you hate me or people whom you think are like me.
Thanks !
"I agree with almost all that
By different anon
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 6:19pm
"I agree with almost all that he says"
You are agreeing with an account that's just supposed to get people to argue about everything.
Are you seriously calling
By SouthieLocal
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 7:33pm
Are you seriously calling people out via uhub buddy?
Are you seriously calling
By SouthieLocal
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 7:36pm
Are you seriously calling people out via uhub buddy?
I've got your back, SoBo
By anon
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 1:28pm
I've got your back, SoBo brother!
Many New England towns try to
By anon
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 10:20pm
Many New England towns try to accommodate local businesses even if chains could bring in new money. This is nothing new or unusual, and it's fine if people want to do that. Transplants know they will leave after 5 years anyway, so they just don't like being reminded of their transplant status with these gentrification talks.
Grrl not really in Southie...
By anon
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 5:24pm
Grrl not really in Southie... coffee at Sbux is about $2. Where do you spend $5 on coffee? Rome, Italy? Also, Drunkin Donuts and Sbux coffee in Boston is more or less the same price unless you get snickerdoodle chucklecrap at Dunkin then it's $5.
Latte
By Girl in southie
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 5:48pm
Sorry, I get a latte every day and it's close to $5. I'm sorry if I was wrong about regular coffee, didn't know there was a difference - I stand corrected. And yes, really in Southie - 11 years now.
That's not a very long time
By anon
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 10:18pm
That's not a very long time by New England standards.
A latte is espresso and
By anon
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 9:21am
A latte is espresso and steamed milk. Coffee is brewed in a drip machine with a a less fine grind of the coffee bean. If you're spending $5/day on caffeine, which is about $1,800 per year, you might want to read up on the difference between a latte and a cup of coffee. Just saying. One last thing, a regular coffee around here means coffee with cream and sugar. If you ask for a regular coffee, you're going to get drip coffee with cream and sugar, not a latte.
$5?
By notadoctor
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 10:07pm
I pay $2.60 for my coffee whether its at starbucks or dunks.. you're getting ripped off by your local shop!
""We can't discriminate
By cden4
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:03pm
""We can't discriminate against which businesses move into the city," Jervis said, comparing Starbucks to GE, which the city actively pursued."
Exactly. We live in a free market society. It's not up to politicians, cranky neighbors, or competing business owners to decide which businesses are allowed and not allowed. If a site is zoned for a certain use, it should be allowed. Period.
Owner of DNKN
By eddiil
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:05pm
You know who owns the most shares of DNKN? Janus Capital, based in Denver. You know who owns the most shares of SBUX? Fidelity, based here in Boston!
Give the people another option, and let the best (rather than the incumbent) win.
Answering the wrong question, though
By adamg
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:12pm
When people in that neighborhood talk about Dunkin' Donuts, they're talking about John Gillespie, the franchisee who lives in the neighborhood and whom I've yet to hear anything negative about.
Typical Democrat piece of garbage
By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:09pm
"I'm smarter than you, so you have to do as I say. You're too stupid to decide for yourself."
Amusing that you choose to tie this to his party
By Scratchie
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:17pm
Given how extremely smart the Republican voters have shown themselves to be in this election.
This would seem to be more
By tape
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:17pm
This would seem to be more the Republican platform than the Democratic.
No, the Republican platform is
By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 2:07pm
I'm morally superior to you, so do as I say.
If not Bernie, Feel the Johnson.
Starbucks southie
By Coffee mate
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:14pm
So the mayor is opposed to Starbucks because a few people are opposed to it and stacked a meeting saying this family neighbourhood has enough and we don't need these big chains coming into it but yet all the painful stories about back in the day always include Woolworth and Brigham ice cream. Mom and pop sold their three decker full of welfare lay abouts years ago and all moved south. Most of the people popping off on social media all live elsewhere having cashed out. For those of us left in the city key us decide what is needed. If the town is so great why did you cash the fuck out and leave?
Coffe mate is British,
By Bob
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 12:56am
Coffe mate is British, Neighbourhood!!
At the hearing, residents
By tape
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 1:15pm
maybe it would help if someone stopped people from double-parking? that stretch of Broadway is the double-parking capital of the word.
There seem to be a lot of
By cden4
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 2:39pm
There seem to be a lot of businesses along that stretch that would benefit from VERY short term parking. It's currently signed for 2 hour parking, and that's only during the day M-F. Perhaps the regulations should be changed to 15 min parking in front of the businesses that have a lot of customers who drive and just want to get in and out quickly.
They tried that
By bosguy22
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 2:24pm
in front of Social Wines on West Broadway and everybody bitched.
Did it improve the double
By cden4
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 2:39pm
Did it improve the double parking situation?
"Bill"board
By anon
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 2:37pm
During elections, the developer has the biggest Linehan sign in the City on his house on Broadway, so it doesn't surprise me who would be in favor of this proposal.
Yup.
By Boston_res
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 10:00am
He's doing nothing useful for the residents of district 2. I didn't vote for him this past election (wrote myself in). Notice he almost lost to no one?
Mahty
By johnmcboston
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 2:50pm
So the mayor steps in to say 'no' to Starbucks - but he doesn't step in when the Italian food place, that everyone seemed to want, can't get a liquor license and gives up the location?
The answer is obvious
By anon
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 3:36pm
Boston still has deep pockets of anti-Italian bias.
[sarcasm]
This is what boggles my mind
By El Danimal
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 3:54pm
Basically everyone who opposed stated their preferred alternative was a restaurant. Well guess what, the owner already tried that and couldn't get a liquor licence. Obviously he doesn't have the ability or willingness to go buy one for $300K, because he would have done so already. So whats going to change now? What will go in there that will cause less issues than a Starbucks would? I guess the owner of the building got what was coming to him for making the first floor a space that would benefit the neighborhood and not another apartment unit, which he would now be making money from instead of this vacant space.
Fundamental flaw with a lot of these meetings
By anon
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 4:12pm
People are so excited about the chance to daydream about what they'd personally like to see that they just project their desires onto the project. So you get meetings for the inhaler factory where people ask for a community center or meetings about the Rosi Petco where people wanted some other kind of retail or a coffee shop.
Health Insurance 401K and COffee
By Brianfrom Dorchester
Wed, 05/04/2016 - 6:56pm
I'm sure the Mom and Pop stores are generous with their employees like Starbucks. You know, minor things like health insurance, 401K, stock options etc... Thanks Walsh for helping keep low skill employees poor.
No worries...$15 min wage coming
By Ralph Boston
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 12:54am
When the minimum wage hits $15/hr the mom and pops will benefit greatly. And by 'benefit greatly' I mean 'be driven the hell out of business and replaced by chains anyhow'.
No, they don't
By bosguy22
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 9:04am
And that was one of the complaints of the coffee shop across the street, Boston Bagel Co. He was worried Starbucks would steal his workers b/c they offered benefits he didn't. So basically, the Mayor is against a business that would benefit workers.
"When asked by board
By A.S. Merrimac
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 4:23pm
"When asked by board Chairwoman Christine Pulgini if she could agree to a 30-day deferral to try to reach some sort of armistice with neighbors, the offical[sic] said she didn't know how to answer, in part because "we were definitely caught offguard[sic]" by the opposition."
Caught off guard? They had a week to come up with answers for the community, there was abortive attempt at an abutters' meeting the Monday before where the opposition was readily apparent. At that first meeting the Starbucks people said they expected to answer questions about trash and deliveries &c. (For which, a week later they still had no answers.)
These meetings were supposed to be for abutters...
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