Adam McCready shows us how one household celebrates our independence on Sycamore Street in Watertown.
Carlson, meanwhile, gets to enjoy this quaint display in Arlington:
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Don't forget this one
By Michael
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:30am
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and there was no toothbrush
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:34am
in the other hand.
You can't have it both ways
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:30am
You can't have it both ways Adam. It is their right.
Ha, I say, HAH!
By adamg
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:35am
Please point to the exact spot in my post in which I demand these flags be torn down and their owners tarred and feathered.
You betcha - it's their Constitutional right to fly their flags. And it's every bit as much my Constitutional right to be amazed and disgusted at them. The Constitution is wacky that way.
Funny that way...
By Ron Abbott
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:04am
You say you appreciate their Constitutional right to fly that stupid flag, yet you list the exact street in Watertown that it's being flown on. If I was the person who owned that house, I would say that you were the one looking for trouble.
You have summarily painted them as bigots without knowing them or their story as to why they're flying the stupid thing, they're just bigots to you and click bait for your easily offended readers. Grow up and just go back to reporting on people getting shot or killed in neighborhoods the majority of your readers don't live in or care about and whipping up the bike riders for page views.
The wrath is high with this one
By adamg
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:44pm
You might have a point if I only ever used vague descriptions of where photos are taken, but in general, I always try to get the name of the street for the photos I post. But then, maybe you think that when I mentioned the specific intersection where a truck spilled a ton of milk yesterday I was inciting people to go beat up the truck driver.
And, yeah, I didn't post the street of the Arlington flag. I'm a horrible, horrible person.
You have summarily painted
By MattL
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:47pm
Pretty sure they did that themselves.
When people show you who they
By momma
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 8:43pm
When people show you who they are, believe them
How dare Adam publish the
By Rob Not Verified
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:52pm
How dare Adam publish the street of the home that flies this flag for all to see in public! People have a right to express their views in public without the public knowing it, dammit!
Sycamore Street is a half mile long
By Ron Newman
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 6:12pm
it's not like Adam posted an exact street address.
I suppose you were whistling
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:28am
dixie as you typed that reply....
Why is it that every time
By Matt Frank
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:21am
Why is it that every time someone says something completely off the wall or does something like fly the confederate flag someone always says "well that is their right"? Yes we all get that but that same right is why others can mock them for doing it.
Like when protesters who
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:30am
Like when protesters who block traffic say it's their right? Not sure what your taking about
someone always says "well
By MattL
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:42am
I bet these types of people were a real hoot during Weimar Germany.
How ironic
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:45am
They have a right to fly a flag of treason.
"Anon"
By boo_urns
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:22am
So brave.
that flag is...
By Roztonian
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:38am
That flag is the Third National Flag of Confederacy - pretty rare and unknown - especially in these parts.
Hipster confederates?
By fox_orian
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:15am
Hipster confederates?
They were into slavery before
By MattL
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:00am
They were into slavery before it was cool.
but not fans of neutral
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:30am
grays.
They were fans of Neutral
By MattL
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 3:12pm
They were fans of Neutral Grays, but only the first two albums.
I'm ok with that if you're ok
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 3:47pm
with that.
at least they follow guidelines...
By Roztonian
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:39am
at least they follow guidelines by flying the American Flag higher than the other one.
MADE IN CHINA
By anon²
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:38am
Happy 4th
You can take the trash out of the trailer...
By lbb
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:39am
...but you can't take the trailer out of the trash.
Disagree
By Yosemite Sam
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:00am
Different Strokes, Different Folks....
SHADDUP You!
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:43am
Trailer ain't got nothing to do with it (spits).
Crackers come in all kinds of boxes! Even fancy McBoxes.
Rebelling...
By Lyle Lanley
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:41am
...against the skyrocketing value of their property?
Standard of living ...
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:33am
... and great schools?
Nothing like
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 9:46am
*Confederate flags
*Bicycles....ANYTHING bicycles
To get things going on Uhub.
Q: What happens if a
By Refugee
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 2:35pm
Q: What happens if a bicyclist wearing a Confederate flag got doored in a bike lane? Which posts do I upvote?
A: stenographer output
X "Markks" The Spot
By Flip Your Wig
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:07am
I wonder if the Arlington one belongs to one of UHub's more well known grumpy commenters. The town seems to be down to three or four remaining right wingers so the odds are pretty good.
Gasp! Those right-wingers, ya
By CCD
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:24am
Gasp! Those right-wingers, ya know, those people with different opinions!
Noob
By lbb
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:25am
You really are a noob, aren't you?
That's funny
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:46am
You seem to have vastly different views of terrorists and those flying flags of treason.
That's odd
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:34am
If you think the flag of treason is a "different opinion" how come you don't seem to be so respectful of people praying on a T platform?
Not everyone who admires the
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:29am
Not everyone who admires the flag is a right winger. In New Englad people see the flag and they shudder as if someone's declaring they're Nazis (remember that 1990's incident in Harvard Yard?) or Yankees fans. In the south people display the flag all over the place without shame. I think the biggest they do that today is to rile Northerners.
So what you're saying is ...
By adamg
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:47pm
These two homeowners are good ol' boys from Pigeon Forge, TN who for some reason found themselves living way up in the state that was home to the abolition movement (sounds like the premise for a wacky sitcom, somebody get on that) are just flying these things to rile up the damnyankees?
Sitcom? That's already the
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 2:23pm
Sitcom? That's already the premise for a reality show, Duck Dynasty.
Seeing these flags makes me
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:14am
Seeing these flags makes me angry, sad, hurt, and frustrated and fantasize about winning a war of words over their bearers.
But that is the why they are flown right? To instigate? I have to believe there is no possibility of victory in volley of ideas with this person.
They are proudly displaying their stubbornness and ignorance. I hope someday to get over my anger and just feel sad for them. And I hope for them that someday they will get over themselves and feel shame for pledging allegiance to an awful state and its humiliating heritage.
Ignorance of what exactly? If
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:44am
Ignorance of what exactly? If you do not know their motivations for flying the flag how in the world would you be aware of what exactly their ignorance is.
Are you ignorant to the fact that today is the day that started the battle at Gettysburg, a battle in which American men fighting under both flags lost their lives? In one instance the American flag is higher, in the other they are side by side.
Ignorance? Your post reeks of it.
Regardless of their
By bgl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:53am
Regardless of their motivations, the flag itself represents slavery and oppression. It was also the flags of traitors to the United States of American who attempted to slit the country. If these were at a civil war enactment, like say the ones they hold for Gettysburg, then fine, great - you have the historical context/etc. Flying it on 4th of July on your random house? Yeah, no, there is no context there for it be appropriate to fly that flag.
Today is not the 4th of July.
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:04pm
Today is not the 4th of July. Today is the first day of the battle at Gettysburg the bloodiest battle of the civil war.
Poorly read or deliberate ignorance on your part?
*4th of July Weekend.
By bgl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:05pm
*4th of July Weekend.
And again, today is the day 1
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:07pm
And again, today is the day 1 of the bloodiest battle of the civil war, that is the only historical relevance to the day in this context.
Right
By bgl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:16pm
And yet you disregard the rest of my comment - its a traitors flag representing slavery. That's it. There is no context to fly it outside of historical reenactments.
"its a traitors flag
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 1:22pm
"its a traitors flag representing slavery"
You sure can argue that, but without knowing the motivations of the person flying the flag that would simply be a waste of breath.
Nope, you don't. That is what
By bgl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 1:29pm
Nope, you don't. That is what the flag stands for - there is no arguing that and it isn't a matter of opinion. That flag was flown and created for traitors who fought to keep their human slaves in chains. That's it - the meaning is there, and their motivation really doesn't matter. Unless, of course, like I said before, they are flying it in a reenactment, which is totally fine, as it has context, and of course we all know it ends with the traitors behind that flag losing, and the slaves freed.
The context is day 1 of the
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 2:25pm
The context is day 1 of the battle of Gettysburg. Both pictures show the flag flying beside or underneath the American flag.
And outside of a historical
By bgl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 3:32pm
And outside of a historical reenactment, there isn't a context for a private citizen to fly it. Flying just the real American flag is all that is needed.
The 4th of July, the day the
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 7:13pm
The 4th of July, the day the colonies
secededdeclared independence from Great Britian.The irony is that if the Founding Fathers had not committed
treasonthemselves to fighting for freedom, then slavery in the American colonies would have ended in 1834.or they could be from the
By Roztonian
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:52am
or they could be from the South - or had ancestors that fought and died during the war between the states. The fact that they are flying the Third Flag or the Confederacy tells me they may actually know something about history. Before slamming someone for being ignorant and stubborn, consider that they may have other motives other than simply getting you upset.
And, because they are flying the American Flag higher than the Confederate flag (as we are supposed to do) it seems they are pledging their allegiance to American, rather than the south.
Its interesting that you seem to be doing all of the pre-judging - thereby shutting down any potential "volley of ideas".
So
By boo_urns
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 1:08pm
If I came from lineage of Germany military in WWII and let's say they were staffed at a concentration camp it'd be totally cool to fly a Nazi flag, right?
Modern display of the Confederate Flag
By theszak
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:24am
Modern display of the Confederate Flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_display_of_th...
Today is also the day that
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:40am
Today is also the day that began the battle at Gettysburg. The largest and bloodiest battle in the civil war. A battle in which Americans fighting under both flags lost their lives.
I do not fly the confederate flag, but looking down on people that do from some preposterous moral high ground is laughable.
I don't see what's preposterous about taking a moral
By MC Slim JB
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 10:52am
stance against the symbols of the Confederacy, which in my reading of history was first and foremost about defending the institution of slavery. In that light, my judgement on a person who in the 21st century still celebrates those symbols is, "There's a hateful asshole and/or ignoramus, likely both."
The Confederate flag is the
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:00am
The Confederate flag is the flag under which American men fought and died. On this anniversary of Gettysburg flying them alongside the American flag is entirely appropriate and does nothing to express support for the ideals of the confederacy.
You reject confederates as Americans and you reject the justification for the war itself.
Has anyone yet come up with the Chrome version of
By MC Slim JB
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:01am
that filter for Universal Hub that hides the dribblings of right-wing thick-wits and trolls? I could really use that one.
What a witty argument. As
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:04am
What a witty argument. As stated in my original post I do not fly the confederate flag and to add nor will I ever, the reasons the south were seceded were atrocious.
. But your failure to think a bit deeper about the American men that lost their lives fighting under it is simply a desire to blind yourself from history. For one must accept confederates as Americans if one is willing to accept the justification for the war, the reunification of the Union. Today is an entirely appropriate day to fly such a flag.
When your natterings rise to the standard of
By MC Slim JB
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:04am
meriting a response, I'll let you know, DPM. And you can let me know what day you celebrate the soldiers who died nobly defending Pol Pot's regime.
I wish you luck in blinding
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:05am
I wish you luck in blinding yourself to reality.The men that fought under Pol Pot were not Americans. The men that fought under the battle flag of the confederacy were in fact Americans.
I used to enjoy the spectacle of
By MC Slim JB
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:08am
watching the witless dig themselves deeper into holes of illogic in the defense of the contemptible. I've gotten over that, thank goodness.
Ooh Americans!
By anon
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:10pm
John Walker Lindh was born in the US. Benedict Arnold was born in the US. Picking the wrong side* isn't negated by the happenstance of your birth. Are you a big fan of the Black Panthers? They had some issues with the US government back in the day but were definitely Americans.
* in my opinion
Plenty of ordinary Germans were conscripted into fighting for the Nazis - that doesn't make putting a Nazi flag somehow OK as a symbol of German heritage. (yes, yes, Godwin's Law. I know but I find the parallels to celebrating the CSA and the Nazis to be more related than most things)
States Rights....
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:13am
Americans fought and died under the American Flag. Traitors that renounced their American citizenship fought under a different Flag. They were no more American than Omar Mateen or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Tell that to Lincoln.
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:14am
Tell that to Lincoln. Remove their status as Americans and you remove the entire justification for the war.
He suspended habeas corpus which ironically
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:24am
became a sensitive issue for the non American traitors.
"The Confederates were now
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:16am
"The Confederates were now our countrymen, and we did not want to exult over their downfall."
General Grant.
After their surrender the traitors displayed the true
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 11:26am
confederate flag. The white flag of surrender. They were then welcomed back into the real America.
"I would make this war as
By bgl
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:01pm
"I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy."
"My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom."
Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
Sherman was alot like Trump
By DPM
Fri, 07/01/2016 - 12:22pm
Sherman was alot like Trump wishing to kill the families of his enemies, in fact he even took it further in deliberately attacking civilians.
Sherman was a war criminal, not one I would point to in attempts to make arguments.
In Atlanta :"“No consideration must be paid to the fact they are occupied by families, but the place must be cannonaded.”
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