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Not much of a rally, boys
By adamg on Sat, 11/18/2017 - 11:49am
Ben Becker spotted the anti-Marx, Nazi-navy flag wearing Trumpies assembling at City Hall Plaza before their little rally on the Common this morning.
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We won
Why do we need more rallies?
Yes, you won.
Identity politics is all now.
Identity politics are now the
Identity politics are now the rules of the game. Learn to play by them or lose.
they said the were coming back in the spring.
kyle chapman, who founded resist marxism, was a co-organizer of Saturday's rally with John Medlar who organized Free Speech Boston in August.
In August John said his org would have nothing to do with white supremacists but that's obviously false. Here's kyle chapmen giving a speech about a war on white people for which we (whites) must fight, bleed and die. The speech was in California last year. he claims it's an existential war against, i guess, non-white people or marxists or gays or liberals but definitely antifascists: Watch!. Just about everyone in the alt-right started denying ties to white nationalism after Charlottesville but they're all full of shit.
bostonherald:
bostonherald:
I agree. The ACLU of Mass. agrees. Boston Police violated the 1st amendment rights of the press. Don't think for a minute that the folks on the bandstand in August or November were there for press freedom, they have their own agenda.
The conceit of the Free Speech rallies across the US is that their political opponents counter protesting are, by counter protesting, infringing on their rights.
White nationalists are always the aggrieved, always the one that something bad is being done to.
Many of the far right rally attendees who gathered at Parkman Bandstand gathered at an area bar afterwards, took pictures and shared them on social media. They posed signaling white power which without context is innocuous but with context is offensive especially in a country premised on democratic rule.
Here's Kyle Chapmen pitching race war in a speech in California last year. And here's a roundup posted earlier on UniversalHub.
John Medlar organized Aug rally,co-organized Nov rally w/Chapman
How gamers normalized white nationalism online.
"Shitlords in real life"
Identity politics is old
Remember a group of immigrants called Italians? Solid Anglo-Saxon Americans were appalled by the these Catholic, clergy ring kissing, servants of a foreign power (the Pope). What appalled the "natives"? Elements of the immigrants identity.
Same for Irish, Jews, etc.
Call hysteria around immigration, bigotry, anti this or anti that group of people, it's all identity politics.
What? Disagree? Identity politics is some Democratic thing? What is it to be Republican and radical conservative Evangelical Christian but identity.
This brand of Evangelical Christian, seemingly the marble base that the Republican power elite relies upon, is ALL about identity. How so? Because Evangelical Christians have no truck with actual Christianity. If they did they would never have voted for Trump and today would demand that Congress make sure that the wealthiest pay taxes not just on their monetary wealth, but on the wealth that exceeds money: POWER.
Instead folks who wear the identity of Evangelical Christian vote in people who want a nation where there is only one identity: that of Evangelical Christians. The question is however, what really defines Evangelical Christian? What we do know is that it has nothing to do with being a follower of Jesus, Paul, Peter, any of the Christian Apostles or for that matter all but the most violent parts of the Old Testament.
What do you mean "we"?
Are you a Nazi? What did you win?
National socialists
National socialists and the American flag are not compatible.
Either the reporter and you are confused or those are not nazis.
Confused?
I am confused by your not seeing the Nazi flag in the picture. The one that Adam referred to. Is it that you're so used to seeing the one hanging in your basement sanctuary that it doesn't register?
Captain Obvious
Clearly.
I do not see a Nazi flag in the photo. National socialism and the ideals behind the American flag are incompatible.
No, cranberry compote
Just no. The Nazis had several different flags. These wastrels love to fly them.
Your ignorance of history doesn't make this cute nor benign.
Not for the republican party of today.
This is the conservative base.
On the off chance that you're not being disingenuous...
...you may find this handy reference helpful.
Surely you're not that naive.
You might want to read Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here."
Quoting another reviewer, "The premise of 'It Can’t Happen Here', published at a time (1935) when authoritarian regimes were flexing their muscles all across Europe and Americans had great difficulty imagining a Hitler or Mussolini coming to power in the land of the free, was that it can happen here. Lewis painted a vivid counterfactual portrait of a United States of America sliding into dictatorship, one that is still cited as a cautionary tale to this day:
The main character, Buzz Windrip, appeals to voters with a mix of crass language and nativist ideology. Once elected, he solidifies his power by energizing his base against immigrants, people on welfare, and the liberal press."
You're right: the American flag and Nazis aren't compatible. And yet here are neo-Nazis marching in our midst, waving both barely-coded Nazi symbols and the flag.
Photo
I do not see any National socialist symbols. Socialism sucks and everyone knows it. I do see a bunch of American flags. America rocks.
Yes, America rocks. And if you can't spot the
connection between the Kekistan flag and Nazi symbology, you are either a hopeless dumbass or a defender of alt-right tactics yourself, which is to employ winking Nazi symbols while pretending they're just harmless fun. Neither is a good look for you.
The founder of Resist Marxism is Kyle Chapman, a featured speaker at today's rally. He's a violent holder of multiple felony convictions, including armed robbery, grand theft, and illegal possession of firearms. His latest claim to fame among the Army of Unfuckable Hate Nerds is bashing a counter-protester over the head with a leaded stick; he's out on bail on that one, awaiting trial. He's served over ten years in prison already, and he's only 41. I suspect his early habit of huffing ScotchGuard (true story) has something to do with it, though it's hardly an excuse.
Nice friends you got there, asshole.
Free Speech
Anyone is free to wave the American flag. America rocks.
Socialism sucks and we can all agree on that. Waving an American flag is a way of saying you hate socialism and love the values of the United States of America.
Anyone can love the United States of America... even weirdos. They get to be weirdos in the US. Great country.... unlike socialist countries where weirdos are jailed or worse.
Wait
Socialism is when workers own the means of production. How does that suck? (Hint: it doesn't)
I'll say it again. You have a really cool hobby, troll.
Common ground
Well your love for socialism and the National socialists have a lot in common.
Us American flag wavers proudly state our incompatibility with socialism and do not like you and your socialist loving ilk (on an ideological level... you may be nice people otherwise but your ideals suck).
Nice bait
Problem is those "national socialism" and real socialist systems aren't at all the same. Personally I loved our socialized systems here in these United States. I also used to work for a company that was employee owned (aka socialist!). U-S-A! U-S-A!
Get a real hobby.
Problem is those "national
All socialism sucks and all of it is incompatible with the United States. Just because you *think* your favourite brand of socialism is superior to another brand of socialism does not actually make your brand superior.
I do not get involved in the minutiae, preferring to wave my American flag against all socialist flavours.
A better hobby for you
Study history. Real history - not the sanitized stuff that probably populated your school books.
Nazis are not socialists.
These twerps are carrying Nazi flags.
You are either a troll or a tenacious dimwit.
Troll
That's why I keep telling them to get a real hobby.
Yes, a troll
I regret feeding it.
Note that troll and tenacious dimwit are not mutually exclusive.
National socialists
National socialists (Nazis) are socialists.
The Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is the the National Socialist German Workers’ Party - more commonly known as the Nazis.
Would you prefer we call Nazis the National Socialist German Workers’ Party so you are not so confused about your love of all things socialist (even though you tend to get all snooty about the quality of individual factions).
Your message seems to be that National socialists are not the best socialists. No sane socialist would wave the American flag around... especially huge ass American flags. Since there are no indicators of any socialists in the crowd in the photo, then I suspect you are making up the presence of any socialists to make your own socialist identity feel superior for some reason. I feel bad you suffer from inferiority in that regards. I know it probably sounds like I am talking down to you, because I am, but you are a good little socialist and you should be proud of others accomplishments.
You have been awarded an honorary degree in Reddit History.
The republican canard of trying to tie nazis to the left is opinion and not historical fact. Because NRO or the Wingnut publishing world produce glossy writings of opinion with footnotes referencing other wing nut opinion it does not make their opinion fact. You have parroted this same right wing echo chamber bastardization of history in an attempt to prove that you know something, which you do, It's historical opinion.
Tying things
The Nazis are the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
They can tie themselves to things. They do not need me.
They would never fly a huge ass American flag at a rally any more than any other of all the ragtag socialist failures throughout the world would fly our awesome American flag. Socialism sucks. History proves that time and again. Socialist parties suck even worse. The American flag triggers them.
American Nazis and neo-Nazis have been waving the American flag
for decades.
America rocks. It would rock harder if more sub-moronic right-wing trolls OD'd on ScotchGuard.
Ask
American National socialists and Neo National socialists also call Trump a total loser.
https://www.ncscooper.com/illinois-nazi-party-concerned-they-backed-a-to...
Waving the American flag is nice of them, though. I wish more socialists would do that.
Socialists still suck.
capecoddah still sucks
Get. A. Real. Hobby.
No surprise that capecooddah is the kind of hump who
doesn't even read the articles he posts.
The American Nazi party in that article was expressing its concern at pre-election polls that showed Trump trailing Hillary.
They and hilarious little cosplay Nazis like we got in Boston yesterday loved his policies, as they do now: they're were just worried he wouldn't get in.
Trump grew up a dyed-in-the-wool racist, launched his political career with racist birtherism, refused to shun the support of the KKK, and inextricably aligned himself with neo-Nazis after Charlottesville. Mango Mussolini is their puffy, spittle-flecked messiah.
Article
When a National socialist calls you a total loser, what does total mean?
Socialists use the word socialist in their party name but apologists say they do not support socialism. National socialists call someone a total loser but here on this thread we have a National socialist apologist saying that total does not mean total, it means someone is slightly behind in the polls.
Weird people these socialists are. Very weird.
Can't decide if capecoddah is
feigning obtuseness, or is genuinely as dumb as sack of peach pits. A good case to be made for either, but I'm leaning toward partial brain death from huffing household aerosols, like his hero Kyle Chapman.
Worse
Peach pits can grow up to be something worthwhile.
Why does it have to be either/or?
I vote for both. An antisocial troll who claims dominion over all that is really American and good, a pernicious liar who willfully ignores the difference between National Socialism and socialism, and generally an all-around garbage human who is completely uninterested in doing better or being better.
Get off the Internet, dude
It is socialist.
Stay off the roadways and don't park your car anywhere other than private property. That's socialized, too.
Judges? We are of course tossing the scores
of the Russian judge who tries to stir up righties, and the Russian judge who tries to stir up lefties.
Missing the point entirely with a red herring on free speech: 10, 10, 10
Trolling as well as a maladjusted grade-schooler: 0, 0, 0
Congrats, capecoddah: you're going home with the Alt-Right Participation Medal! It comes with a pair of Wal-Mart chinos and a very, very white golf shirt. Well done!
I'm old enough to remember when socialists seemed to be
a lot less hostile. More welcoming. They seemed to have confidence in their philosophy. ("when the revolution comes") Although I also feared what would happen if they ever got control of the country. Well, we just had twenty years of leftist baby boomers who promised to bring us all together. How did that work out? Obama and the Clintons are laughing at us. They trolled us before the internet. And they're thugs.(Count the bodies). I don't like Trump either; he's an asshole. But he's political chemotherapy. If there were a better way we would have found it. But the Clinton's and the Obama's have proven they're just cheap politicians like all the rest. And all you dopes spouting cliches are insufficiently self-aware to realize that you're not the organ grinder, you're the monkey.
You mean the last twenty years,
with one of Trump, eight of Obama, eight of W, and three of Clinton? If the country is ruined, it sure looks there's blame to share.
I think you need to go back to Reagan to mark the start of America's decline. Starting with him, Republicans have consistently widened income inequality and pushed the government's finances into debt-ridden shambles, dragged us into unnecessary and costly wars, and failed to keep the homeland safe. You have to be wearing crazy partisan blinders to lay all those things at Obama's and Clinton's feet.
Clintons and Obama as SOCIALISTS?
Oh my god. Did you actually just compare the Clintons and Obama to SOCIALISTS? I may never stop laughing. You're funny! Keep it up!
This is what happens when
This is what happens when somebody learns all of their news and history from memes. Time to get off the internet for a while, dumbass.
Socialism sucks?
So wtf are you doing on the internet?
Aren't you the guy who pitches fits if you can't drive and park your car everywhere for free, too?
Water, sewer, etc. Get out of my society, dude.
"National Socialists"
"National Socialists" were socialists in precisely the same way that the "People's Democratic Republic Republic of Korea" is democratic.
Democracy is
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner.
Democracy sucks and is akin to poison, as in "The poisoned republic of Korea".
You are wiser than you let on.
"National Socialists" by capecoddah 11/18/17
+capecoddah -- FYI: I'm guessing you were looking for the typical white disk with a black swastika (Hakenkreuz) in the center on a red background, designed by Hitler himself. The article states that the flag (clearly visible) is a "Nazi-navy flag". It has a large Nordic cross with a swastika at the center on a green background. Compliments of Wikipedia (and my own two eyes).
Details
The Nazi navy flag is red, not green.
Pay attention.
If you see a swastika at that anti-nazi rally, you should send your picture to some news outlets. That would be newsworthy.
What did you win? Higher
What did you win? Higher taxes on yourself so that trust fund brats get to pay zero taxes? Lung cancer from coal plants? Congrats!
Trust fund brats!
Yer kinda liberal to be making fun of the Kennedys like that!
Are we certain
that they aren't being satirical?
Anti Marx? Do they at least like Lenin?
I am very much pro-Marx and Lennon. Guess I'm not invited to the rally.
Three Stooges Fans instead?
My grandfather was anti-Marx because they actually behaved in real life like they did in their movies.
(he was the keystone cop with the suspenders)
So similar turnout as last time.
But without excessive police presence.
And no random violence and
And no random violence and vandalism by opportunistic anarchists either.
No flaming strawmen, either.
No flaming strawmen, either.
police presence paid at overtime rate, 4 hours minimum
You have to be pretty blind...
,,,not to see the flaming strawman Swirly was talking about. Tell me, is your blindness congenital, acquired or self-chosen?
I agree with Swirly
I posted the image from the rally to comment on the assertion "without excessive police presence."
"And no random violence"
"And no random violence and vandalism by opportunistic anarchists either."
Maybe, but maybe not...
Boston Herald is carrying the story. Three arrests and these nice young communist assholes.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/20...
"In all, police said three people were arrested — two for disorderly conduct and one for assaulting a cop. "
Picture from Herald.
dmcboston just making shit up
The Herald is not 'carrying the story' that the arrests were communists or antifascists or fascists or white nationalists but you are, without any direct evidence, calling them communist.
You didn't learn reading comprehension?
" 'And no random violence and vandalism by opportunistic anarchists either.'-Boston Herald "
Um, no. The Herald did not say that and I did not quote that from the Herald. It was said "By anon on Sat, 11/18/2017 - 3:11pm"
"The Herald is not 'carrying the story' that the arrests were communists or antifascists or fascists or white nationalists but you are, without any direct evidence, calling them communist."
Again, typical anon insane bullshit.
I said, "Three arrests and these nice young communist assholes."
The three arrests were probably related to the protest. Lacking further information, all we can conclusively say is that they appear to be related to the protests.
The communist assholes? Some poster here that claims to know 'real' history can explain to you the meaning of the hammer and sickle flag.
A flag, I might add, that has more blood on it than any other.
Precisely. You connected the
Precisely. You connected the arrests with persons in one sentence with no evidence and throw in a photograph to emphasize the implication because you knew you'd be dragged for claiming "I cannot say for sure they're antifa, but if I had to place a bet, well..." You cannot say at all they're antifa.
If you're not just making shit up...
...why the picture?
Tell your children fairy tales about Santa Claus. Don't try to tell grown folks that you weren't doing a bit of deliberate shit-stirring and character assassination when you juxtaposed a photo of people whose politics you don't like with a report of arrests. No one here is buying your bullshit.
excellent point, why the
excellent point, why the picture?
Three Arrests
Some junkies got busted, so you counted them, too?
Seriously - you are a font of questionable bullshit sometimes. Except you seem to believe it all. Sad.
Well, according to the Herald...
... the arrests were: "In all, police said three people were arrested — two for disorderly conduct and one for assaulting a cop. " --Herald.
No mention of wether they were, as you so insensitively call them, "junkies".
I counted nothing. I was just relaying the fact that three arrests were made at the protest. I cannot say for sure they're antifa, but if I had to place a bet, well...
Same thing
If you "had to place a bet" is one of the ways you make shit up.
White supremacist sympathizers
White supremacist sympathizers like to normalize racism and demonize people who are opposed to fascism. Trump, his funders and his far-right advisors created the space for these unamerican politics.
Where...
...is that damn like button???
When I saw them blocking the
When I saw them
blocking the sidewalk so I couldn’t get into my jobmarching on Tremont Street, they were outnumbered by the bicycle & beat cops.Are we absolutely certain that's not a Dungeons
and Dragons LARP?
Bravo
You won this thread! Now I have to watch Role Models.
Hate speech is not free speech.
Disagree? Feel free to move to the libertarian paradise of Somalia.
One positive change
This time the media had access to cover the speakers. Thanks, ACLU!
Good.
The police finally realized that racists don't have lasers that shoot out of their eyes.
After Charlottesville
After Charlottesville, after watching the way that the Charlottesville police completely got their pants pulled down*, if a bunch of one-tooth-having inbred white supremacist trash were all HURR HURR BOSTON NEXT, what would you have done?
*this is with the generous interpretation that they weren't a-ok with the neo-nazi-klan violence; some Charlottesville cops were observed smirking and standing by while white supremacists attacked protesters.
Pathetic men children.
I had assumed that green flag was some obscure Nazi thing. It turns out is the “flag of Kegistan” which is a thing made up by basement dwelling failures who have wrapped their bigotry into a whole new subclass of social disfunction. You have to look it up to unwind all of the absurdity. How do these people call themselves grown men? I bet they also take on silly names and titles like the Klan did. Someone should start doing some serious sketch comedy around these bafoons. Go back to your basements sad people and play more video games while the rest of us do grown up things.
Also, as an aside I will continue to honor my pledge of donating $1 to the Southern Poverty Law Center for each hate marcher at these looser fests. I estimate this one to be about 50 people. I hope you will join me.
It's two tastes in one!
It's not just some stupid frog thing, it's based on the German naval flag used during World War II. So just enough deniability to satisfy the most discerning of neo-Nazis.
The green flag
is based on the "Vinland" flag, designed by Peter Steele of the goth/doom-metal band Type O Negative back in the '90s, and as used in the band's artwork and in live performances. Type O Negative are decidedly NOT associated with fascism, white supremacy, or neo-Nazism. If anything Peter Steele's personal political beliefs tended toward socialism. Steele has said that the flag was intended to represent his interest in his Norse heritage, connection with nature, and socialism.
The flag has the same "cross" design seen on the flags of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland, but in green, white, and black.
Unfortunately, like a certain cartoon frog, it's a symbol that's been appropriated by far-right groups. "Kekistan" was a meme that started on 4chan /pol/, and they turned the VInland flag into the Kekistan flag. They kept the green background but changed the black and white stripes, adding a "KEK" logo in a circle, and adding the 4chan logo in the upper left.
Fans of Type O Negative have been known to wear the Vinland flag on t-shirts and other clothing, but, given that this is another symbol that the far right is managing to f--k up for everybody, many of them may stop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinnland_flag
https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/vinland-flag
No, it resembles the
No, it resembles the Kriegsmarine flag.
Guess the flag
Shame on you, bikergeek, you're going against the narrative.
Guess the original frog...
HOW WHITE NATIONALISM BECAME NORMAL ONLINE
The path for radicalization has particular roots in the online communities in which they have forged their identities.
In today's Globe: "When the pizza delivery guy is Bob the Nazi"
I think you are missing it
It is just some stupid frog thing. I get it, they are nazis. But fundamentally, they are just a bunch of pathetic losers who belong in their patents basements. And that is where they will end up while the rest of us run the world. I don’t care if they call themselves national socialists, white nationalists or whatever. They are just good old fashioned white trash and deserve nothing more than mockery. Taking them seriously only makes them feel important. And they aren’t. They are the butt of jokes, at most.
In the spirit of taking them lighty, think back on this from the Big Lebowski:
Donny: Are these Nazi’s Walter?
Walter: No Donny, these men are nihilists. Nothing to be afraid of.
Donny: Are they going to hurt us Walter?
Walter: No Donny. These men are cowards.
It would be nice to think so
Unfortunately, the American who comes closest to running the world right now is one of them, not one of us. These people are dangerous, and ignoring them empowers them.
The mistake would be to
The mistake would be to ignore them just because they're basement dwelling skids though. The original nazis were also fucking losers before becoming nazis. Goebbels was a failed author. Himmler was a failed chicken farmer for christ's sake. They couldn't take responsibility for their own failures, so they blamed it on "the others" just like the "alt-right" shitheels are doing now.
This
And Hitler was an outright bum who couldn't hold down a job. Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich". They were LOSERS. Do not assume that our modern American losers are harmless.
Kegistan?
Is that a country full of breweries?
No, kegistand
a juvenile prank at drunken undergraduate parties, where one does a handstand atop a beer keg.
This is the way it should have been last time too
Let the pathetic tiny group of people show up, have their little fun and crawl back under their slimy rocks, all but completely ignored. No fuss, no muss. Free speech at it's best. Not like last time when hordes of hundreds of thousands of "decent people", some clearly ready for confrontation, showed up to counter protest the Nazi rally on the Common consisting of about twenty ineffectual little people without so much as a PA system and ended up causing all the trouble themselves which went on into the night long after the Nazis were gone.
The indelible Marc Maron coinage for these dudes is
"unfuckable hate nerds." Applies equally to the benighted legion of basement-dwelling online commenters with odious causes like the so-called Involuntary Celibates, recently banned from Reddit for their jaw-droppingly ugly, violent misogyny.
Recommended reading: https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/im-with-the-banned-8d1b6e0...
Too bad it's a fallen world.
Yeah, except that...
there were hundreds of cops deployed to deal with these shitheads. I’d be happy to ignore the losers but I’m pissed off that a heap of taxes are going to protect them. F em—they can protect themselves.
They're not deployed to deal with them
They're deployed to deal with violent reactions
Did you see the photo above?
No one gives a shit about these pathetic dudes. We certainly don’t need hundreds of cops to protect them from us not caring.
Bingo
Very well said.
"should" on yourself
j
If you feel that way, exercise your right to stay away. Do not presume to dictate others' response or preach about what they "should" do. And at the same time, when you get a mouse or two in your house, feel free to "completely ignore" them, secure in the conviction that it can't possibly turn into a larger problem (or at least if it does, it won't threaten you personally, or anyone you care about).
So, that's why ...
there were cops all over Haymarket this afternoon?
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Universal Hub is like a bad Bloody Mary.
So salty.
The power of AM talk radio
ia unmatched,...
Glad to see we keep the company we do here.
to quote our Nazi associate:
Cape Coddah @capecoddah
Jan 30
the "Palistinians" can go back to their own countries. Terrorism sucks.
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and that adorable attempt to dress up hate speak as political theory is as pathetic now as it was back in Germany.
Palestinians
Palestinian ideology is so backwards that they are probably never going to have a real country.
Lesson learned: Do not start wars with stupid empty slogans like "streets running with blood" or anything like that. Real wars involve land grabbing, not saying dumb stuff then losing pathetically. Wars like that are over in less than a week... but the whining can go on for half a century or more.