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Protesting the way children are being ripped from parents at the border
By adamg on Thu, 06/14/2018 - 6:46pm
Ron Newman attended the Rally Against Family Separation at the State House today.
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I would joke, "Making popcorn"
but I don't think I'm going to have much of an appetite after what's probably going to happen on this thread.
"The war that we've declared
So where the hell was she in 2014?
Well...probably no media coverage. Wonder why?
Oh, that's right...the Lightbringer was the President.
Here's another Cuellar photo from 2014:
Here's one from the present:
Three squares a day. Oh, before you compare the bar code wrist bracelet to a different type of numbering system, let me ask you...You're a Really Smart Person, so you went to 'College', right? A lunch program? Maybe you had some sort of meal card.
'The war we've declared'??? If you're not from Mexico, but another country, under international law, the first country gets to keep you, I believe.
It wasn't official policy of the Administration
It is now.
Stop trying to "win" political battles. There are kids being separated from families and you're selfishly just trying to claim some sort of self-righteousness in an effort to smear liberals. Take a look in the mirror and consider how shameful that is.
Fine.
"It wasn't official policy of the Administration"
Crass bullshit. Obama was the chief executive. So, it literally was the 'official policy of the administration'.
Bring them and their parents to the border with Mexico. Let them go.
Totally free. I'm not "trying to "win" political battles." That battle was fought. 'Elections have consequences', said a famous man. I'm just stating facts. You don't like them, bummer, but you can't deny them.
I know, it's been a long eight years, must dust off the old memes...
Except the current administration is gaslighting.
The Obama administration worked off of the law, but if certain agencies used this tactic to separate parents from children back then, they did it rogue, on their own. Now they're being directed to do it which is an extremely important distinction. That you, and the administration, more importantly, are trying to rewrite history to say that they, now, are just "following the law" is misleading at best and maliciously lying at worst.
So, no, it wasn't the official policy of the Obama administration. Period. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Bullshit.
"...but if certain agencies used this tactic to separate parents from children back then, they did it rogue, on their own."
Bullshit. The chief executive is responsible for administration of the law. Remember the 'fast &furious' fiasco? I guess Obama had no responsibility there, either?
You know otherwise? Bring some proof to the table.
Another question...how many of those kids are unaccompanied? If you know, please enlighten us.
You seem to not understand something here.
I absolutely understand that if it happened under Obama, he ultimately will be held responsible for it. That is not the same as him directing people to do it. If that's your position, that's a claim that you have to prove, not me.
Also, why am I doing your homework for you on kids arriving unaccompanied, again? That's a separate issue, and one you are more than free to look up yourself.
My understanding? Hold my beer...
"I absolutely understand that if it happened under Obama, he ultimately will be held responsible for it. That is not the same as him directing people to do it. If that's your position, that's a claim that you have to prove, not me."
Will the NY Times do? Remember, "Democracy Dies in Darkness"
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/us/homeland-security-chief-opens-larg...
DILLEY, Tex. — Jeh C. Johnson, the secretary of Homeland Security, came to this South Texas outpost on Monday to open the country’s largest immigration detention facility and draw attention to border security measures that are part of President Obama’s fiercely debated executive actions on immigration.
While Mr. Obama has offered protection from deportation and work permits to millions of unauthorized immigrants, he has also ordered efforts to reinforce the southwest border to prevent a new surge of illegal immigration. The 50-acre center in Dilley, 85 miles northeast of Laredo, will hold up to 2,400 migrants who have illegally crossed the border and is especially designed to hold women and their children.
Standing on a dirt road lined with cabins in a barren compound enclosed by fencing, Mr. Johnson delivered a blunt message to families without legal papers considering a trip to the United States: “It will now be more likely that you will be detained and sent back.”
As far as splitting up families, they won't get split up if they don't cross into the US without authorization. But, when repatriated back to their original country, they can be easily reunited.
I have no idea the circumstances of the ejection from the US, but I will assume they are reunited before the airplane ride.
Can you point out where that explicitly says to break up....
mothers from their children? I'm not seeing it. Here's what it says in the article that you glossed over:
Your beer's getting warm, by the way.
Yup.
Show me the children. Dilley? Plenty of them.
Overflow? Well, that's why they're talking about Walmarts and tents. Oh, and making good on the promise of shipping them back, which works better if the border is truly secure.
See, the whole, 'little children ripped from their mother's bosoms' is, well, not really happening.
There's not a lot of toddlers or babies in the pictures.
Ok.
http://thehill.com/latino/392522-ap-about-2000-children-separated-from-p...
You can read the linked AP article, too. The Hill leans conservative, FYI.
So let's make a deal
You build a time machine and go to 2014 and try to stop it then, and other people will try to stop it now
If I had a time machine...
I'd go back to 2016, borrow a pisspot full of money and invest it in the stock market.
Why do assume I'd change any illegal immigration laws at all?
Oh, I don't assume that
I assume you'd be cheering up the rounding up of undesirables in 2018, 2016, 1937, or any year you care to mention.
How about...
...2008 to 2016? That work for you?
Stick a fork in Trump's "Democrats Did It" Talking Point
Richard Miller has been an outspoken racist since his high school and college days. He was in Richard Spencer's kkklique at Duke and Jeff Sessions' legislative aid. He also had a hand in drafting the Muslim ban.
Trump is separating families
Trump is separating families because he thinks he's being tough on families seeking asylum. Seeking asylum is a right under US and international law. This plan to separate families and try asylum seekers for misdemeanor illegal entry before taking and evaluating their asylum claim is Trump and Sessions and Stephen Miller's strategy to violate the law not enforce it.
Steve Schmidt is a conservative Republican strategist who worked on two presidential campaigns.
Taking Children from Their Parents Is a Form of State Terror
READ THIS: "Taking Children from Their Parents Is a Form of State Terror" by Masha Gessen
What do you expect from a guy who admires authoritarian regimes more than US allies?
but it's the Democrats and
Hillary's email.
It IS also Democrats
It literally is also the democrats. 3 million people were deported under Obama, more than every post war president combined and at a higher rate than trump so far. Pretending clinton would have done anything different is naive if not actively duplicitous.
and while we're on that subject Trump is president because
of Bernie and his spambot susceptible Bro's.
petition for asylum
Under US and international law, migrants can present themselves at ports of entry and petition for asylum. It is their right. What's new is that they're being charged with misdemeanor undocumented entry (91% of them,) their children are being taken, and the adults are being tried in trials with 40 or 50 defendants, they're found guilty, and they get a deportation order. All this instead of taking and evaluating the asylum claim.
The US has also restricted asylum claims by women whose lives are threatened by their husbands and who cannot rely on the state to protect them or their kids. Jeh Johnson spoke about this in January
But, but,but TRUMP!!!!!!
Here's the current conditions in the 'converted Walmart hellhole':
Why do people harp on this so much?
There's so much spin saying that Democrats are against deportations in all situations. This is bullshit projection, just like the recent "arguments" made by conservatives and the right saying that Democrats love MS-13. Completely, utterly untrue. That people believe that democrats would actually be opposed to deporting, for example, violent, criminally convicted immigrants without legal status tells you all you need to know about propaganda efforts against all things non-conservative and its effectiveness.
The issue isn't about deportations and the number of them. It's about the policies that are currently being utilized by ICE. And I imagine under a Clinton presidency, the policy and direction of the US Attorney General, who wouldn't be the miserable Jeff Sessions, would be different more humane. If you think a Clinton appointed AG looks anything like Sessions, that's just delusional.
Do you remember the Trump MS13 tweet?
That whole brouhaha. "Oh, look, Trump called illegal aliens 'animals'" No, sorry, he didn't. He was referring to MS13.
This is why people don't trust the media.
This is why people don't trust the Democrats.
But, I repeat myself.
This doesn't make my comment above any less true.
Actually, I'm not even sure you make a good argument with this at all.
But either way, it wouldn't be the first time Trump referred to something using a sweeping generalization. See "shithole countries."
As to not trusting the media or democrats, that sounds like sensationalist cynicism. Good luck with that.
Well, all the Hollywood actors...
...that threatened to go to Canada if Trump won, well...didn't go to Mexico, either.
Or Ghana.
Or Somalia.
Or, God forbid, the socialist Sean Penn/Joe For Oil heaven on earth that is Venezuela.
"As to not trusting the media or democrats, that sounds like sensationalist cynicism. Good luck with that."
MSNBC...they are going the whole Nazi route. Almost like they...wait for it...have an agenda.
So don't watch MSNBC
There are plenty of other credible places to read your news.
"Taking Children from Their Parents Is a Form of State Terror "
Absolutely true and I'm dead set against it when the government is trying to take your children for no good reason.
This is not that scenario. First, the children and parents are not citizens. They can leave at any time.
Secondly, they came here voluntarily. Again, they can leave at any time.
What about the folks who fit this category?
https://www.universalhub.com/comment/673996#comment-673996
Separating children form
Separating children form families is not the law, it is the policy of the Trump admin. They argue that it will be a deterrent for other parents with children from applying for asylum. US law and international law affirms people have a right to apply for asylum. There is no evidence holding kids hostage from their parents will be a deterrent for other people seeking asylum but it it does act as a deterrent then it is being used to deter people at risk from cartels from exercising their rights to apply for asylum. Asylum is granted when their lives are at risk and their government can't protect them.
From the pic...
"Where have we seen that before?"
You're shitting me. Really. Implying that what's happening on the border is anything like the Holocaust is crazy. Don't minimize the Holocaust with your bullshit implication.
See? Hitler, "Let's kill every Jew in Europe."
Obama, "Give them Nasa mylar blankets."
Cuellar 2014
What can you accept?
I’m confused. Is anyone ok with this? Take away the deflection, the Obama did it first stuff, the “the accommodations aren’t bad”..,strip that away. ARE YOU OK WITH BABIES AND TODDLERS BEING SEPARATED FROM THEIR MOTHERS? Some of them are nursing. All of them are terrified. All of them will carry this trauma with them and it will have a tangible, well-studies affect on their lives. Right now as I type this from the comfort of my iPhone, they are experiencing actual terror, shock, and grief. They are too young to understand and process any of it. Their mothers cannot comfort them. Is that ok with you? With anybody?
I am a mother. I am sickened. Please, please - clear away the other rhetorical issues here and ask yourself: am I ok with this? If not please let’s take a stand together. It might “do nothing” but at least we can show our children and ourselves that we will stand for SOMETHING. If we don’t stand for this, what’s left?
Here's a room full of 'babies and toddlers'
Here's the problem. MSNBC has been pushing the "Trump REALLY is 'actual Hitler'" meme. People are either falling for it or sick of it, depending on your gullibility.
Hey, I'm not totally heartless, but Mr. Pen and Cellphone set up this human train wreck. He owns it as much as anybody.
Tell ya what. Give me magic powers to propose any law I want, for one day. Here's the pitch...ALL the DACA kids (without criminal records) can stay. Forever. They do NOT get citizen status, they get resident alien status. They can never vote in any election. Ever. It cannot be revoked UNLESS they commit a crime. Then, goodbye.
You satisfied with that? I know the Democratic Party ain't. They're in it for the voters.
Care to provide some context
Care to provide some context for what we're supposed to be seeing?
Nope, no babies or toddlers in that photo. Maybe because they've been taken somewhere else?
Here in MA DYS is full of
Here in MA DYS is full of kids whose parents are in jail/prison. Seperation from one's family is a tactic to deter criminality.
No, it's not
And Massachusetts isn't using old Walmarts or setting up concentration camps to house children of people in prison.
To be so bold...
...when you use the term "concentration camps" to describe the Walmart pictured above, you don't really do the whole "concentration camp" thing justice. But, if you're describing the Obama chain link fenced prisons, well, it still holds.
They're really two different things.
Trump is pulling out of the
Trump is pulling out of the human rights council at the UN concurrent with separating families who come to the US seeking asylum, which is their right.
I'm betting
Trump pulling out of UN Human Rights council is connected to this border policy of separating families and prioritizing adjudication of misdemeanor illegal entry over adjudicating asylum claims, which is their right under US and international law.