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Jews vow 'never again' on march from Holocaust Memorial to ICE detention center in South Bay
By adamg on Tue, 07/02/2019 - 6:52pm
Molly Lanza was among the roughly 500 people who marched this afternoon from the Holocaust Memorial to the South Bay jail, where the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department makes money by renting space to ICE for use as a detention facility.
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At the jail
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What does that mean?
If you oppose immigration, you should favor stopping the American actions that drive migrants here, like,
a) violence spurred by US gun sales to their home countries,
b) evironmental devastation inflicted by US pesticides on "the fumigated towns" of Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Uruguay and Paraguay.
The United States has acted as the world's top-cop for too long.
The United States has acted as the world's top cop for far too long--meaning over half a century! If people don't want so many illegal aliens coming here to the United States, our government's constant meddling in other countries' affairs has to stop.
How come
Our local politicians express their outrage at the conditions at Detention facilities on our Southern border. None of them have expressed their outrage of the conditions at South Bay or what Sheriff Tompkins does with all the money he receives from the Feds.
To be blunt, it's better for
To be blunt, it's better for ICE detainees to be kept here than anywhere in the South. They're more likely to survive.
Reality may have deep pockets, but she always
makes you sign a pre-nup.
Your divorce from her will get you nothing.
We are not conducting a genocide on our southern bordner.
Alternatively, the border crisis is manufactured and not real.
Maybe both at the same time.
In either case, you, Adam Gaffin, should be ashamed of yourself for parroting insane propaganda.
Insane, eh?
Yeah, I guess people shouldn't be concerned about the mistreated of others. And if something has been a problem for a while, it isn't worth protesting, right?
If you have such disagreements with Adam, will you no longer be visiting this site?
zOMG oppression!
Let's go back to elementary school.
What do we do to little boys and girls who don't play by the rules of civilized society?
Do we
a) Make them sit in the corner until they've learned their lesson
b) Reward them with ice cream and cake and tell them how righteous and pure they are for Sticking It To The Man(TM)
If you answered (a), report to re-education at once.
If you answered (b), you best look behind you when you walk, 'cuz Little Timmy will come for you when he's done having his way with that cake.
Do not feed the troll
Roman is a confessed troll. Do not give him what he wants. Ignore him.
6 dead, 4 in ICU ATM
"What do we do to little boys and girls who don't play by the rules of civilized society?"
Apparently we inflict pneumonia on them, killing 6 so far and putting 4 little children in pediatric ICUs. So far. That we know of.
I saw the protest
The people being wheeled through the streets in wheel chairs - the ones with numbers on their arms? - I suspect that they disagree with you.
We know you're everywhere at once Swirly.
I don't care what you claim you think you saw, or which minds you claim you can read.
Went by where I work
Unlike fake refugees like you who were given asylum and money to start over, I know what work is.
I have pictures to prove it. Unlike you, who would have a hard time on Tindr proving that you were over the age of 10.
So you say we Jews sold out mother Russia?
Excellent. Where do I go pick up my cut?
Nobody says you sold out mother Russia
From what we can see, you're still working for mother Russia.
I forgot to mention. You're losing it Swirls. You should have
said 'Grindr' instead of 'Tindr'
i love that you obviously don
i love that you obviously don't leave your house much yet you know more about forced detainment than jews
don’t you get tired of just trying to convince people that they’re just imagining things that we all see?
I am a Jew. Not that it actually matters.
I've also been told that in my family, more men did not return from fighting the Germans than came home.
And none of which has anything to do with whether or not what we are doing to contain the migrant wave on our southern border bears any resemblance to deliberate and concerted effort at genocide these protestors are alluding to.
Spoiler alert: what we are doing on our southern border bears exactly zero resemblance to *any* atrocity, whether small or large, historical or current.
Your insanity is showing.
Your complacency is showing
The death camps didn't just appear full blown one day. Maybe you should read up on the history of Germany from, oh, 1929 onward.
I don't think any of my relatives went to war against Hitler (by the time my father was old enough to be drafted, the war was pretty much over, he served in the occupation of Japan). But I do know now I never got to meet many of my relatives, because they were rounded up and put in concentration camps.
Let me translate that back for you, Adam
"I've never known oppression or ethnic violence, nor has anyone in my family for a long enough time that we've forgotten. We've been living safe and secure in America for generations, and the only experience any of us has ever had with that ugly business is reading about it school. Therefore whenever something happens, we have no reference point by which to gauge it, and we panic and scream 'Nazi!' at the top of our lungs for lack of understanding about what it is that we're seeing."
That's nice dear
Have you paid back the US taxpayers for all the things that you don't want to give refugees that are now arriving?
No?
Classic "I got mine and everyone else can just die" ungrateful unamerican asshole.
Will you be footing the bill for all the free stuff you want to
give away?
No?
The rest of us would be? Whether we think it's a good idea or not?
Thief.
You really have a lot of anger bottled up, don't you?
You really have no idea what people on either side of my family went through, up to and including the ones trapped on the wrong side of the border in the Six Day War. That I personally didn't have to flee the Nazis because my grandparents and great-grandparents were able to flee the pogroms doesn't make their travails any more palatable.
But enough, you've made your point. Further comments will just be deleted.
So...
If a person with whom you disagree posts, you will delete it because they 'made their point'. Message received.
Maybe in the future, I'll keep my comments limited to nice sunset pics and maybe the occasional bird.
That's fine by me
Roman has had more than ample space just in this discussion to have his say. He's repeating himself now and going full bore ad hominem. So I put on my moderator cap and said: Enough.
15 Undeleted Posts
Since 15 posts by the same person remain, this is hardly a case of egregious censorship. I suppose it’s possible that a deleted post just happened to be the one so erudite, with just the right combination of polysyllabic words, that it would have convinced everyone that detention camps are okay if the US is doing it. But the track record of this poster suggests that is unlikely.
Adam has previously mentioned that as moderator of posts from unregistered UHub users he declines to post the most blatantly racist comments he sees. But since there are plenty of social media platforms that allow such speech to flourish, I’m okay with the occasional bit of moderation here.
Also, FYI, last night’s sunset was freakin’ spectacular.
god shut the entire fuck up
god shut the entire fuck up about censorship.
have you ever heard of moderating a discussion? adam is LITERALLY A MODERATOR.
Did you run out of AOL diskettes?
Crusty old farts like you have ruined the internet. You never knew the first thing about how it works and you haven't bothered to learn. You embarrass yourself daily. Go play scrabble or something.
LOL
I'm so old I remember 5 1/4'' floppies. Hell, I'm so old I remember saving programs that I wrote on cassette tapes. 300 baud...
Hell, I might have a pin printer or two kicking around.
I didn't, however, invent email.
Yawn
So do I on all accounts.
I took a typewriting class in high school.
I'm barely older than 40.
Back of the bus, grandpa.
My apologies.
After a refreshing night's sleep, and seeing a couple of posts removed that were neither incendiary nor obscene (well, maybe one was...) the light finally dawned on marble head. AG's not censoring me. He's censoring a narrative that runs counter to the leftie approved story. I cited Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Weisenthal Center. It was taken down more than once. If you want to read an opinion that runs counter to the UH/leftie approved narrative, you must look it up yourself. I'm not permitted to post it here.
Thank you.
Would you please...
...show us on this doll where the "leftie[sic] approved story" hurt you?
Also? Up your game. You could be a serious contender in the "UHub Kneejerk Right Wing Crusty Old Crank Angry At The Damn Libruls" race, but right now you're getting blown out of the water.
Doesn't matter
One of the most vile people I've ever known - at least to the extend that he made himself knowable - was racist Jew who hated queers and anyone else he thought it was safe to dehumanize in the company of a gentile.
I also knew a gay man who was creepily racist.
The fact that you claim to be Jewish is proof that you are using that to somehow give yourself credibility. Sorry babyface, but Jews can be just as grotesque and hateful as Christians.
So when *you* say that people should be judged
for their deeds and not their identity...it's good and righteous.
When I say the exact same thing...it's racist and vile.
Glad we cleared up the ground rules.
The difference
The fellow I referred to, from what I could see, enjoyed a comfortable middle class life, with a house, kids, extended family, etc. He was not fleeing a culture where violence and torture have been the norm for decades. Violence even worse than the degree of violence in the US.
Immigrants fleeing from nations that have over the decades devolved into barbarism (often with US help) are desperate to save their lives. Just as the Jews the US refused to allow to enter the US and instead forced them back to Nazi Germany.
Your attempt to force a comparison between two different sets - one, a person comfortable and safe but acts with hatred against others, versus people who are running from torture and death, is the proverbial apples and oranges comparison. Both are fruit, but nevertheless are very different.
And none of which has
Again, the problem is the only solution that you can see is what's going on right now. Is there a response to an influx of migrants that doesn't involve keeping kids in cages? When people die in detention at the border, are we correct to treat our government's failure to sustain them while under its care as an acceptable cost of doing business there?
This is way more complex than immigrants bad -- yet you keep throwing out the same old talking points: Don't cross the border illegally; These aren't children, they're criminals; We can't afford the tax burden of treating these people humanely.
Is it possible that there is a middle ground? Or maybe it's politically prudent for this administration to peddle the idea that it's a choice between kids in cages or open borders.
By the way, you're wrong on the last count. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-13405438/israeli-forces-op...
Do You Even Observe Passover?
What do we say every year at Seder? How can you claim identity with a group and not take into your heart our annual ritual? I know, I know don't feed the troll....
Wonder how far back one would have to go
To find those fascist members of Roman’s family. This guy didn’t teach himself right wing bigotry and hate - he was born with it.
Roman??? A fascist? Really?
Roman, for his fascistic name, is probably not a genuine fascist. That accusation is not worth one thin
LibertyMercury dime. Neither, considering his religious beliefs and his Russian heritage, would he be in the running for Nazi of the year. If you need proof of that, please, feel free to read a book by Harrison E. Salisbury called 'The 900 Days". Or, use www.duckduckgo.com (the search engine that doesn't track you!) and google 'Operation Barbarossa'. Or, lacking the talent for that, simply youtube a song by Al Stewart called 'Roads to Moscow.' There's seven minutes of your life that will improve your understanding of a fundamental truth...never call a Russian a fascist or a Nazi unless you are really willing to stand by that accusation, oh and have your Obamacare paid up.If it quacks like a duck...
I'm curious about how you would define a "genuine fascist", but it's not that big a deal. Will "raging xenophobic bigot" work instead?
Mike Pence
Trump's right hand man supports religious individuals who call for the death of all Gay people.
That is genocide.
Therefore Mike Pence supports genocide.
Trump supports Mike Pence. Therefore Trump supports genocide.
Not at the moment people in US camps. There Trump likes to torture with slow torture. Not Medieval torture on the rack. But torture that is slow, based on overcrowding that leads to disease that leads to death.
Roman: If you support Pence and Trump then indirectly you are supporting genocide.
Get help. Please.
.
Enough, thanks
You've made your point.
evidence please? And that's
evidence please? And that's quite a stretch to suggest Pence supports genocide. But whatever makes you feel good!
Pence, conservative christians and gays
Pence has made clear, when he was governor of Indiana, and subsequently, that he believes Gay people are evil, and, if they can't be made to disappear, should at least be legally turned into 2nd class citizens. Just type Pence and Gays into a browser.
Pence has also made clear that he considers himself christian. But what kind of christian? A liberal christian who takes sees Biblical text as complicated with stories that are metaphors, thematic and to be studied, or as just historical recitations of angelic visits?
He's made it clear that he sides with the people who insist Sodom is about God destroying homosexuals.
Conservative christians range from wanting Gays to just stay in the closet to wanting to exterminate Gay people.
Here are some quotes:
"Sacramento-based preacher Roger Jimenez is also scheduled to appear. In 2016, he said of the Pulse shooting: “Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?”
“If we lived in a righteous government, they should round them all up and put them up against a firing wall, and blow their brains out.”
Tommy McMurtry will also attend. He once said that “homos” should be “put in their place: six feet under.”
The full article is here: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/06/preachers-make-america-straight-even...
There is a violent streak among so-called christians. Where has Pence stood among these folks?
Add Trump's needling of Pence (granted anything Trump says is dubious) where he says that Pence would hang all Gays. That was reported on an NBC News site.
Pence is smart enough to realize that politically he would harm himself to make the violence based statements that people of religious violence make. But then he doesn't have to make those statements since proxies do it for him.
This is how social hate and its ultimate expression of genocide develops. Not just regarding Gays in the US, but native Americans in the 19th C., Armenians by Turks, the genocide of Cambodians by Pol Pot and the pogroms of pre-Communist Russians.
We are living in a period where violence of group against group is ascendant. We are fools to ignore the violent threats and the actual violence.
It is becoming a cliche but true nevertheless: When a person says they want to harm, maim or kill another, believe them. Don't just dismiss it as, "Oh, it's just politics."
The belligerence toward immigrants that is used to justify inhumane cages arises from the same spirit of hatred. To hate any group requires dehumanizing them, whether it's brown skin people from south of North America or Gays, Lesbians and other sexual minorities. Once a group is dehumanized then it is much easier to eliminate that group.
For evidence of that behavior of one group against another just look to the acts of genocide that God commands in the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible.
It is ironic that the people most willing to dehumanize a group they dislike also treat Biblical text with a level of idol worship that would make Moses blanch. Perhaps it is a logical and inevitable of psychopathic group psychology.
Sure, the government isn't
Sure, the government isn't committing mass murder right now, but they are letting people unnecessarily die by not giving sick people medical care and by housing them in disgusting conditions.
No one is saying that the government is committing genocide. They are saying that the government is violating detainee's human rights. Whether they are here legally or illegally is irrelevant. The Constitution applies to anyone within our borders, not just citizens, as do international agreements on humane treatment. Note that applying for asylum is 100% legal.
The government is also unnecessarily separating children from their families. There is nothing legal that requires this. It's simply a tactic to inflict cruelty on migrant families. It's doing permanent psychological harm to children, who had no choice in the matter on whether to come here or not.
The point of the protests is to say that we are not okay with these conditions, and that historically, there have been many times when camps that began like this got worse and worse over time. The Nazis didn't start with genocide, but by the time they got to that point, the average citizen was powerless to stop it. Let's not go down that path again.
So many white people. Good
So many white people. Good God so many white people...
O.M.G.
Shouldn't these people be buying an iMac or listening to country music or something?
/S
iMacs are racist. MacBooks are hipster. Go figure.
What's the official party line on which Linux distro is most woke?
Oh, look at the cute Republican
Pretending he knows what "woke" means.
Hey now. For the purposes of this thread, and this thread only
I'm a transgender woman, and your failing to acknowledge and affirm the validity of *my* existence and *my* thoughts is extremely problematic. You should really examine the privilege you bring to this conversation...[sniff...sniff...sniffle], what with being white, and cisgendered, and heterosexual, and owning this website, and sit down and let the marginalized voices speak on your platform instead of perpetuating your own supremacy.
How'd I do, chief?
Oh, look at the cute Republican
Pretending he knows what it's like to be a part of a marginalized group.
I'm sorry Adam. Cute though I may be, I'm taken.
Your wife might not appreciate the overtures either.
The Herald comment section called
It's wants you back.
Can you please just leave UHub?
kthxbye
The thing is....
Earlier this year, Nabisco trotted out a drag queen "mother" to celebrate Mother's Day.
The comments were as expected until one free thinker wrote something to the effect of:
White men have now won Mother's Day. What can't they dominate?
My point being that not only is raising a few eyebrows nearly impossible nowadays, this whole intersectionality thing is getting complicated.... and not fun complicated.
You can opt out
You can opt out of it. No one expects you to be anything but a crusty old white guy who is made uncomfortable by anyone and anything that's not like him.
It isn't, but if this were my
It isn't, but if this were my website, I'd ban you for this post.
lol
being a transgender woman works better for you than whatever else it is you're doing -- at least there's some empathy there. you should try it more often.
best
tips fedora
This march will have the same
This march will have the same results as the anti-violence/peace marches in Dorchester and Roxbury. Nothing.
So why do you care?
Nothing comes of 30,000 people going to see a Sox game either. Should they stay home too?
The way the bullpen sucks this year?
Maybe...just maybe...
Your remembering them
proves they have some impact.
Justice does not happen with a thunder bolt. Like most good things, it is slow but inevitable.
The irony is that the
The irony is that the immigration policy of the Jewish state of Israel makes the USA look like a public library system. Israel doesn't even need detention centers because the moment you enter you get noped right back out.
What do the immigration
What do the immigration policies of Israel have to do with American jews?
helpful tip
Jewish people and The State of Israel are not, by any stretch of the imagination, coterminous.
Plenty of Jews neither identify with nor support the actions of the Israel.
To the contrary
To the contrary-
Plenty of Jews identify with and support the actions of the Israel.
That's why
That's why "ironic" but not "hypocritical".
Meanwhile, in my old 'hood in Tel Aviv
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-promised-millions-to...
That committee, established by the Interior and Housing ministries and composed of officials from a number of relevant government ministries, was meant to determine which areas to prioritize based on the number of asylum seekers living there, and set the criteria for allocating the funds. However, it has met only four times and has not yet decided which areas will be prioritized, delaying the funds by at least a year.
Deleted a post from dmcboston
I don't feel like explaining why right now, it's the end of a long day, but I don't need to see lots of photos of a congresswoman who is a rightwing bugaboo used to call another user here a fraud. Have a nice Fourth.
Way to go
Keep those Nazis down!
Adam's a better person than I am
I hope YOUR Fourth sucks, Roman. You and dmc are a disgrace to this nation. You came in and now you're trying to slam the door behind you and that's utterly contemptible.
We are cowards - a ship of gassed Jews
learned that horrible lesson.
Our self produced propaganda is always about how great the United States is. But the truth is that we are cowards who refuse to act until the shame or threat is so great that we are broken by the weight of the good of us with a conscience breaking out past our cowardice.
Immigration. How many Jews would have not been MURDERED had the US allowed a ship of Jews to dock here, instead of forcing the people back to ultimately breathe in Zylon B. How many millions of people forced, naked, utterly vulnerable, would not have died, had the US citizenry not turned away from the monster of Europe?
Our leaders knew what was happening. Just as our leaders know today that we are treating human beings as though they are one step aboe rats. Which NAZIs always compared Jews to.
We are not an evil nation. But when Evil is allowed to rule we become a nation that does evil.
I'm sure you understand that by American standards,
billions of people the world over are living in conditions that we wouldn't tolerate in our prisons?
Do you propose we let them all come here?
Do you expect this place won't deteriorate into a third world country if we do?
Roman you seem troubled and
Roman you seem troubled and for some reason want to be taken seriously here.
"billions of people the world over are living in conditions that we wouldn't tolerate in our prisons?
Do you propose we let them all come here?"
Is the reasoning of a six year old (false dichotomy). People can tolerate and be polite to six year olds but they don't generally learn anything from them.
Oh so much in so little
First your comparison is false. This is not about billions of people.
Second, if the US had the capacity to help every person who suffers then anyone considering themself religious would have to want to help. The point of religion is to understand how to live together, not apart.
Has the US deteriorated to a 3rd world nation?
We are. Slowly but surely. The extreme disparity of wealth is a step toward creating a two class nation. Where there is the wealthy and everyone else. That is part of 3rd world status.
We have allowed our infrastructure to deteriorate, not just in Boston but other US cities to a point where their contribution to our national wealthy is compromised.
Many parts of the nation are or were world status. In the worst days of the South Bronx it was a war zone. Doctor's Without Borders provided medical services to citizens living in the South Bronx in the 70s.
Read Nancy Isenberg's book "White Trash" if you want to learn more about the 3rd world conditions in the US.
Illegal aliens
The Holocaust and ICE have nothing to do with each other. The illegal aliens came here willingly. Or do you want more illegal aliens to drive trucks like Volodymyr Zhukovskyy?
Inconvenient Fact
Zhukovsky is a legal, permanent resident of the US, who only attracted ICE attention after he killed 7 people. If he was “illegal” I’d think Texas law enforcement would’ve been all over his ass when he was arrested there. And no, I don’t want someone like him to be driving, but the reasons have nothing to do with residency or citizenship.
Not an undocumented immigrant
That guy you mentioned isn't an undocumented alien. He is, according to news reports, a lawful permanent resident of the US.
https://www.masslive.com/boston/2019/06/report-ice-files-detainer-agains...
Also, I'd like to leave you with this, from Brené Brown:
Sincerely,
A child of refugees (who happens to be a productive member of society and has never been on public assistance, not that it should matter, but I bet you care).
"willingly"
Is a slippery term.
No one wants to leave their home and most of their family with such urgency unless they are forced to.
Sincerely,
Someone who works with migrants.
Nothing to do with each other?
I dunno Jon. You can point to a lot of things that led to the Holocaust, but certainly one of the most important causes was a country that looked the other way when the state failed to police its agents in accordance with its own constitution. The same is happening now, and the agents are ICE. Applying for asylum is a right. ALL human beings have certain rights in this country regardless of citizenship or immigration status, and those include due process rights.
We need to stop this, Jon. It isn't going to lead to a country you want to live in, unless you're a fascist.