It was the typical crowed who accused them of being racist simply because they didn't agree with them and had no argument. It's why calling someone a racist mean next to nothing nowadays. Its tossed around like rock salt in January.
How about the opponents who claimed that "kids from the neighborhood" would not be attending the school. I mean, it's coded racism, but it's racism all the same.
Now, that's not saying that every opponent was Bull Conner, but saying that the traffic in the area was horrible for students when there is an elementary school a few hundred feet away was a bit much, but not necessarily racist. That said, Roxbury Prep's inability to settle on a number of students that were going to attend the school was bad faith bargaining at it's worst. You have to play well with the neighbors to get your project done, and they started off not playing well.
By Is it so ridiculous? on Thu, 03/17/2022 - 9:17pm.
Is it so crazy for neighborhoods that don't have a public high school or soon a middle school) to be frustrated by the city pushing in a charter school with explicitly little intention of serving their kids? If the city had firm plans for a public 7-12 school in WR/Roslindale, I think this proposal would have seen a lot more support.
As evidenced by the fact the BPDA couldn't even be honest and just reject the proposal, instead of sitting on it for four years.
In Massachusetts, charter schools ARE public schools and the ones in Boston are open to all Boston kids. There may be legitimate reasons to support "traditional" BPS schools (and as the parent of somebody who went through BPS K through 12, I might agree with them), but the fact is Roxbury Prep had state approval, so saying it was the "wrong" kind of school is, well, I won't say.
It's nice to say that race wasn't involved after the fact, but the record doesn't lie; the dog whistle arguments weren't exactly subtle, either.
"a resident noted how few of the school's students come from Roslindale and West Roxbury, said the school "benefits people from other neighborhoods"... One Guernsey Street resident said she just knew the students would start congregating in the neighborhood, buying and doing drugs and spray painting graffiti all over. "It's going to change the whole fabric of the neighborhood!" " - UHub, 3/1/17
"Back in September, a member of the Chronicles of West Roxbury II page, perhaps assuming it was a safe space for his views, referred to Roxbury Prep as "Cooley High," a 1975 movie about a black HS replete with offensive black stereotypes." - Can't link this one, but if you're in the neighborhood can find this in "Keep Roslindale Quirky", a popular neighborhood FB discussion page, from 3/29/19
"An early petition to block the building warned it could make the neighborhood less desirable, or spoil its “suburban feel." One lawn sign put up on a block away reads: “Stop 361 Belgrade — Save Our Neighborhood.” - WBUR, 9/21/18
I have to respectfully disagree. I was not for the school as I think Uncommon Schools are terrible. They don't educate all children and that was my issue. I would have been up for a BPS middle school or high school - but not these folks.
That being said it's 100% true that there were ppl that did not want this school b/c of the student demographics. I was at the first meeting and yes, people there were downright racist - no holds bar and it was disgusting and yes, I and others, called them out for it. After that meeting I wanted to be for the school b/c I did not like being on the side of said racists.
Now b/c I was against the school I was automatically a racist and was called that by my dear neighbors...of course not to my face. Adam, the tone of some of your post also has that note to it.
Not everyone against the school was a racist but yes, there were plenty of racists against the school.
I oppose charter schools because they do not in fact educate all students (they don’t have to take kids with more than mild disabilities, and the lottery process ensures they don’t get their fair share of families who are transient or are registered for school at the last minute when the pediatrician or someone else realizes they aren’t yet).
But when white people from one of the whitest neighborhoods oppose a charter school attended by mainly Black and brown students moving in, there’s racism at play, particularly when it’s an established charter school rather than an expansion of charters. The opposition won’t make fewer charter schools exist. It’s literally white people saying “I don’t want this school attended mostly by non-white folks in my neighborhood and I want it somewhere else.”
Also, I suggest you look up the difference between “being a racist” and engaging in racist behavior/supporting racist behavior.
That seems like a questionable choice, even ignoring the proximity to Methadone Mile.
Not that I'm opposed to them building just about anywhere they can find a space, but that seems like a poor match for the health & welfare of their students.
Crazy how you comment under every thread but are drawing blanks on the countless articles about lack of quality schools in the city. The artists will be fine. I’m much more concerned about the kids who got pushed out of a chance for better surroundings to foster their minds (by racists/elitists) and into arguably the roughest area of the circumstances many of them are already trying to escape.
He's the classic troll, delighted by saying something remarkably stupid in hopes people get worked up over it. But unlike that Mark guy from Arlington or the retired "Cop" this guy doesn't even have a axe to grind. He just wants people debate some strawman position no one serious is making.
Exactly where the parking lot is as well as an Elementary School on Norfolk and Proctor st along with Orchard Gardens on one end and another Elementary School 2 streets over. They are already building apartment buildings on the corners and the area will be even more congested. The food pantry is also at the end of the street as well and Proctor is now a 1 way it’ll be a mess for all being that the city can’t keep the junkies out of the parks and that area. It’s already a terrible situation for the kids now having to watch for needles at the park or the homeless sleeping and shooting up in the park. Why put more children in that predicament with they can’t clean up Methadone Mile
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The BPDA...
The BPDA would've let it go forward had Marty Walsh given the school his blessing. He didn't. End of story.
Nobody came off as racist
It was the typical crowed who accused them of being racist simply because they didn't agree with them and had no argument. It's why calling someone a racist mean next to nothing nowadays. Its tossed around like rock salt in January.
Oh, really?
How about the opponents who claimed that "kids from the neighborhood" would not be attending the school. I mean, it's coded racism, but it's racism all the same.
Now, that's not saying that every opponent was Bull Conner, but saying that the traffic in the area was horrible for students when there is an elementary school a few hundred feet away was a bit much, but not necessarily racist. That said, Roxbury Prep's inability to settle on a number of students that were going to attend the school was bad faith bargaining at it's worst. You have to play well with the neighbors to get your project done, and they started off not playing well.
Is it so crazy for
Is it so crazy for neighborhoods that don't have a public high school or soon a middle school) to be frustrated by the city pushing in a charter school with explicitly little intention of serving their kids? If the city had firm plans for a public 7-12 school in WR/Roslindale, I think this proposal would have seen a lot more support.
The city wasn't pushing anything in there
As evidenced by the fact the BPDA couldn't even be honest and just reject the proposal, instead of sitting on it for four years.
In Massachusetts, charter schools ARE public schools and the ones in Boston are open to all Boston kids. There may be legitimate reasons to support "traditional" BPS schools (and as the parent of somebody who went through BPS K through 12, I might agree with them), but the fact is Roxbury Prep had state approval, so saying it was the "wrong" kind of school is, well, I won't say.
And it is an already
And it is an already established charter school, not a new charter school, which makes a difference.
Look, you did it again
West Roxbury and Roslindale children were more than welcome to attend the school.
Or are you looking at the, um, demographics of the student body and, well, not explicitly being racist, but, you know.
The dog whistles weren't subtle
It's nice to say that race wasn't involved after the fact, but the record doesn't lie; the dog whistle arguments weren't exactly subtle, either.
"a resident noted how few of the school's students come from Roslindale and West Roxbury, said the school "benefits people from other neighborhoods"... One Guernsey Street resident said she just knew the students would start congregating in the neighborhood, buying and doing drugs and spray painting graffiti all over. "It's going to change the whole fabric of the neighborhood!" " - UHub, 3/1/17
"Back in September, a member of the Chronicles of West Roxbury II page, perhaps assuming it was a safe space for his views, referred to Roxbury Prep as "Cooley High," a 1975 movie about a black HS replete with offensive black stereotypes." - Can't link this one, but if you're in the neighborhood can find this in "Keep Roslindale Quirky", a popular neighborhood FB discussion page, from 3/29/19
"An early petition to block the building warned it could make the neighborhood less desirable, or spoil its “suburban feel." One lawn sign put up on a block away reads: “Stop 361 Belgrade — Save Our Neighborhood.” - WBUR, 9/21/18
Bring those receipts!
Excellent, detailed documentation. As the great sage Homer (Simpson) said so long ago, "EVERYTHING looks bad if you REMEMBER it!"
I have to respectfully
I have to respectfully disagree. I was not for the school as I think Uncommon Schools are terrible. They don't educate all children and that was my issue. I would have been up for a BPS middle school or high school - but not these folks.
That being said it's 100% true that there were ppl that did not want this school b/c of the student demographics. I was at the first meeting and yes, people there were downright racist - no holds bar and it was disgusting and yes, I and others, called them out for it. After that meeting I wanted to be for the school b/c I did not like being on the side of said racists.
Now b/c I was against the school I was automatically a racist and was called that by my dear neighbors...of course not to my face. Adam, the tone of some of your post also has that note to it.
Not everyone against the school was a racist but yes, there were plenty of racists against the school.
Two things can be true at the same time
I oppose charter schools because they do not in fact educate all students (they don’t have to take kids with more than mild disabilities, and the lottery process ensures they don’t get their fair share of families who are transient or are registered for school at the last minute when the pediatrician or someone else realizes they aren’t yet).
But when white people from one of the whitest neighborhoods oppose a charter school attended by mainly Black and brown students moving in, there’s racism at play, particularly when it’s an established charter school rather than an expansion of charters. The opposition won’t make fewer charter schools exist. It’s literally white people saying “I don’t want this school attended mostly by non-white folks in my neighborhood and I want it somewhere else.”
Also, I suggest you look up the difference between “being a racist” and engaging in racist behavior/supporting racist behavior.
Next to Liquor Land?
That seems like a questionable choice, even ignoring the proximity to Methadone Mile.
Not that I'm opposed to them building just about anywhere they can find a space, but that seems like a poor match for the health & welfare of their students.
Did You Grow Up In The Suburbs?
I walked past two bars and a liquor store every morning on my way to elementary school and then on the way back.
City kids are tougher than you think.
Hah
My UMass Boston math classes were upstairs from the Silver Slipper.
Lower NIMBY density
Your average Methadone Mile denizen has more pressing concerns that preclude mounting a NIMBY campaign against teenagers and their school commute.
Liquor Land is the least of
Liquor Land is the least of the problems with this idea.
They had a better location
But some small minded NIMBYs got in the way
Check Your Spelling
You spelled racists wrong.
it's actually central to Dorchester, Roxbury and South Boston
and there is a Fairmount Line stop right there
WTF
They can't be serious. This is a horrible idea. And everyone knows it, even the ones proposing it.
We need more free housing for
We need more free housing for artists not schools.
You don’t even go here…
Crazy how you comment under every thread but are drawing blanks on the countless articles about lack of quality schools in the city. The artists will be fine. I’m much more concerned about the kids who got pushed out of a chance for better surroundings to foster their minds (by racists/elitists) and into arguably the roughest area of the circumstances many of them are already trying to escape.
Just ignore him
He's the classic troll, delighted by saying something remarkably stupid in hopes people get worked up over it. But unlike that Mark guy from Arlington or the retired "Cop" this guy doesn't even have a axe to grind. He just wants people debate some strawman position no one serious is making.
Parking lot?
Is this where the parking is for 1010 Mass Ave (ISD)?
Exactly where the parking lot
Exactly where the parking lot is as well as an Elementary School on Norfolk and Proctor st along with Orchard Gardens on one end and another Elementary School 2 streets over. They are already building apartment buildings on the corners and the area will be even more congested. The food pantry is also at the end of the street as well and Proctor is now a 1 way it’ll be a mess for all being that the city can’t keep the junkies out of the parks and that area. It’s already a terrible situation for the kids now having to watch for needles at the park or the homeless sleeping and shooting up in the park. Why put more children in that predicament with they can’t clean up Methadone Mile