
Boston Streets Chief Jascha Franklin-Hodge discusses safety issues on Centre Street.
Mayor Wu and City Streets Chief Jascha Franklin-Hodge told a packed auditorium at the Ohrenberger School tonight they are committed to making Centre Street safer through a reconfiguration that will include reducing the number of travel lanes on each side from two to one, with a new third lane in the center for left-turn lanes at intersections and for various "flex" uses, such as letting first responders speed to emergencies.
The plan, for which Franklin-Hodge said work will begin in October, will also include pedestrian islands at intersections, reconfiguring traffic lights and moving parking spaces away from the curb to create "protected" bike lanes along the curbs.
Franklin-Hodge acknowledged the devil is in the details and said the city will hold at least three separate meetings for residents and small-business owners to offer advice on issues such as bus stops and preserving parking spaces.
Both he and Wu said traffic data, from both 2019, when the idea was first proposed after the death of Marilyn Wentworth, show the road is simply unsafe. It has higher numbers of crashes than "peer roads" in Boston and across the state, as well as speeders and other drivers who create safety problems.
Creating single through lanes on each side would slow drivers down and end lane weaving and "double threat" crashes, in which one driver stops for a pedestrian, who then gets slammed into by a driver in the neighboring lane who doesn't stop, he said.
Franklin-Hodge added that the city can do all this while losing only 8 of the roughly 224 parking spaces along Centre, and that it's possible that could be reduced to just 5 spaces. Also, he said, the city will track what the changes do to the side streets off Centre and, if need be, would look to installing speed bumps and other measures to slow down any speeders.
Tensions ran high as both opponents and supporters - many of whom wore green tops - came to the microphone to offer their opinions, in an auditorium that seemed to be relatively evenly split. But through it all, only one person was outright booed - Catherine Vitale of Dorchester, who used to stand outside Wu's house screaming through a bullhorn at 7:30 a.m. but who is now running for an at-large City Council seat. Vitale's arguments that "it's not the government's job to keep us safe!" and that the Centre Street plan is "bullshit!" followed by a rant about crime in places like Dorchester proved too extreme for a number of people in the auditorium.
Wu, who lives in neighboring Roslindale, said she is in West Roxbury several times a week - as a mother to two young sons, who play lacrosse and soccer there. "I'm gripping tightly onto the hands of my kids" whenever they have to cross Centre, because it's just so unsafe, she said.
She was echoed by West Roxbury parents and residents who said they constantly worry about their kids crossing the street or who sometimes go shopping elsewhere for fear of getting hit. One man said he shouldn't have to worry about his sons, 9 and 13, when they go to a store for some gum.
One resident said her brother died getting hit by a car at a young age, that that forever changed her life and that she does not want anybody else to go through that. Another, a pediatric nurse, told Wu and Franklin-Hodge to "sign her up" for any needed work to change Centre Street into something safer. Saving just one life would make it all worth it, she said.
Supporting the plan was City Councilor Kendra Lara (West Roxbury, Jamaica Plain). "The really important step is making sure Centre Street is safe for everybody," she said.
Sarah Breuer, who is mobility impaired, said she would love to have a Centre Street where she could cross safely. She said when she is in her wheelchair, she is no taller than a kindergartner, which means drivers speeding down Centre might not even see her, so she dreads trying to go from one side to another.
Opponents cited many of the same arguments that they used to kill a similar proposal in 2019, that eliminating travel lanes is too extreme, that maybe the road would be safer if bicyclists stopped running red lights, if pedestrians got their heads away from their phones, if BPD actually enforced existing laws.
Jose Diaz said people should reject the idea that government knows best. One Centre Street business owner said the proposal would harm the neighborhood's senior citizens, because they don't ride bikes or walk, and need to drive places, such as her store. Abner Bonilla, who lives on American Legion Highway in Roslindale, urged West Roxbury residents to fight the proposal. He said American Legion, which is now down to one lane in front of his house, is still unsafe because people still speed.
Steve Morris, who led the fight against the plan in 2019, and who printed up lawn signs in 2021 to keep the plan dead, said, again, that it seemed the fix was in and, after noting all the green shirts in the auditorium, said it was obvious bicyclists were up to their old tricks. He was joined by another resident who said more explicitly it was all a plot by bicyclists: That the changes would fail, then the city would turn all of Centre Street into a pedestrian path with free-for-all parking.
Brian Kenneally added a new argument: That Marilyn Wentworth, who walked with a cane, "was not in the crosswalk when she was unfortunately killed, so please stop saying that." Other opponents then raised that issue as well.
Kenneally: She wasn't in the crosswalk.

One supporter of the plan allowed how, OK, people should walk in crosswalks, "but if you don't, you don't deserve to die."
Wentworth's son, Matt, was the last person of the night to speak. He did not address the allegation about his mother, but said he was there to support the plan, that after all the grief he and his father, Al, went through, he just wants to keep it from ever happening to anybody else.
As Al Wentworth (in white tee shirt) and others listen, Matt Wentworth urges support for proposal:

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It's available
By ElizaLeila
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 4:02pm
on the City's website.
https://www.boston.gov/departments/transportation/centre-street-design-p...
Scroll down, download the presentation.
You know how I found it? I typed West Roxbury Road Diet into the search bar. And scrolled down to Centre St Design Project. Why are you being a baby about finding public documents?
Wrong
By HenryAlan 2.0
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 9:02am
There were information tables showcasing the design elements, maps, etc. They wanted feedback on the draft, and it's completely inaccurate to say they didn't show it.
Not accurate
By Mary from West ...
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 9:13am
I was there. I live right here in West Roxbury and am the person who spoke in support of the project at the beginning of the comment period because I’ve almost been hit crossing the street and don’t want to die for trying to get a cup of coffee and some brambles. They showed the plan in detail at the stations at the back of the room, and had an option to put sticky note comments on the map to give feedback as well as multiple staff members to discuss the design one-on-one.
Jascha Franklin-Hodge went into a lot of detail about why the lane reduction is key for making the road safer and why the other suggested interventions that various people have brought up aren’t effective. The people who are qualified to know what will work and what won’t work are the traffic engineers who do road designs for a living, so I trust them. And for what it’s worth, I’m not a traffic engineer, but I do have to participate in some safety/performance improvement stuff as a component of my job, and in the areas where the same concepts are relevant, the only plan that would pass the test for making real safety improvements is the one the city presented. My fullest appreciation goes to the Chief of Streets, BTD, Mayor’s Office, and everyone else at the city who has worked so hard on this project.
Road Safety
By Richard Stutman
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 7:50am
I walk Centre St. multiple times each week and cross only at a traffic signal. I wouldn’t use a crosswalk if my life depended on it (which it does).Yesterday on my way to the meeting, I saw a car make a U-turn in the middle of rush hour right in front of the hardware store — cutting through a crosswalk. I support the road reconfiguration and anything else needed to bring safe access to people who walk, drive, and shop there.
I spend little time in West Roxbury,
By Lee
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 10:41am
… but I walk several miles a day in Boston. In general I find so called jay walking safer than crossing at crosswalks with traffic lights where drivers are speeding up to run yellow and red lights. Or when they hit the accelerator because the driver behind them leaned on the horn to get them to look up from their phone and notice the light had turned green. Drivers in these situations see pedestrians as an afterthought.
if BPD actually enforced
By NoMoreBanks
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:16am
I mean, they actually are correct in this. There is ZERO enforcement of anything on Centre street, including the parts of the road LITERALLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE POLICE STATION. BPD doesn't give a single shit about speeding, running lights, double parking (which also significantly contributes to the lane weaving), or pedestrians.
I'm in full favor of the redesign but it's pathetic that the city has so washed its hands of the very CONCEPT that police may in fact be here to enforce laws as opposed to collect overtime illegally that we have to default to rebuilding roads to accomplish the same end. And Bonilla is right - people can in fact speed on a single lane the same way they speed on a double lane. This plan will help with the weaving, the double parking, and the two-car pedestrian roulette, but it's not going to help with the hellish race from light to light.
research before you comment
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 9:06am
police journals are available to the public. Cars hit people or property all day. The police barely have time to drive from crash to crash.
Drivers hit things all day in
By Kinopio
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:58am
Drivers hit things all day in part because cops do not ticket dangerous drivers. If they barely have any time then why are they always playing on their phones at a tiny construction site?
I nominate this
By Ari O
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:22pm
For UHub comment of the week
on duty =/= paid detail
By tachometer
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:38pm
Apparently you don't know the difference.
It's hard to tell
By Michael
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:45pm
because at no point in either role are they ever issuing a crosswalk or red-light ticket
Where? Are? You?
By Those of US
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:26am
This morning in my way to work I saw two cars run red lights on Centre. Like I do most mornings. Like Monday when a Boston COP ran the light at Centre and LaGrange. The street is not designed well for safety and these changes are needed but the E5 have to step up. When this redesign happens MORE cars will run the lights out of frustration. Where? Are? You?
fix the t, fix the roads (to be safer)
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:27am
fix the T so people can reliably use it (without it causing PTSD.)
fix the roads so traffic density drops and its safer for everyone.
yes, it will cost money. yes, it will suck during the implementation process. but these measures are the solution to a giant swath of the issues facing Massachusetts. toll the shit out of the the southern entrances to boston. also toll the shit out of the entrances to MA from NH. that will help pay for it. metro west and the north shore are sick of being the only toll payers to get into the city.
before the naysayers pile on:
1) Boston (and the MBTA service area) subsidizes the rest of the state, so don't whine about the cost.
2) yes, some bike riders do blow through red lights and weave through traffic. that said, they still represent a tiny fraction of people using our roadways. lets fix the issues which put so many extra cars on the road before we start tackling the smaller issues.
Hmm...
By lbb
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 10:18am
That's possibly true, but...show your work, please? "Subsidizes" in what regard? Have you seen the roads and bridges outside the "MBTA service area"?
have you seen the roads and
By anon
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 4:09pm
have you seen the roads and bridges in Boston, Newton, Brookline, Wellesley, Weston, etc.? They're all in a state of shitty disrepair.
the metro boston tax basis carries the state, that shouldn't even be up for debate. my greater point is that whenever big ideas regarding fixing transporation issues in metro boston (aka the T) are floated, the west of 495 crowd starts screaming about how unfair the state is, all the while their municipalities are a net negative for the state.
geez louise
By Michael
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:41am
Yes, let's definitely hear more on these subjects from the local driving community
Just thank you
By Gary C
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:42am
Thanks for the detailed and fairly balanced reporting. Much appreciated.
Is there a video of the
By ZachAndTired
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 9:15am
Is there a video of the presentation (or maybe the slide deck) online anywhere? I wasn't able to make it to last night's meeting, but planning on going to one of the drop in sessions.
They will be posted
By HenryAlan 2.0
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:46am
Jascha Franklin-Hodge said that the slide deck and other materials would be available soon, presumably at the project page, https://www.boston.gov/centre-street-design-project although currently it only has the 2019 presentation.
Presentation PDF
By Angry Dan
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 6:34pm
I took a collage of mobile phone photos of the street plans but I just checked and the presentation has been posted near the bottom of the page you linked and it has the same images for anyone who is interested.
Direct link: https://www.boston.gov/sites/default/files/file/2023/06/Centre-St-presentation-May-2023.pdf
I'm very happy about this and how the meeting went. Now Mayor Wu just has to follow through. Thanks, as always, to Adam for the thorough coverage.
It’s interesting that Brian
By WRResident
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 9:18am
It’s interesting that Brian Kenneally, a local realtor, is opposed to this. You would think that a safer and walkable community would benefit him in regard to selling homes.
Real-estate agents, at least some of them ...
By adamg
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 9:26am
Really, really hate the proposal. Last time around, it was a real-estate broker who paid to send thousands of little fliers to West Roxbury and Roslindale about how it was all a plot by Big Bicycle.
Cyclist and pro cyclist
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 9:37am
Like yourself, are in fact pushing this.
Question, was your buddy, you know the one who yells at the Shriners during the Roslindale parade there. Alen!
Alan Wright?
By adamg
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:01am
Yes, he was there. So? He made a brief, calm statement that cities elsewhere that have done similar things with their neighborhood-business-district roads have seen generally good results - including an increase in business in their stores.
Also present: Vitale's West Roxbury toady, you know, the guy who looks for cops at public events, then deliberately bumps into people nearby and yells for police protection while he keeps his camera videoing (for the record, no, he didn't do that this time).
As for me, sorry, pal, last time I rode a bike was maybe like 20 years ago in Vermont. I just like walking more.
Added a bit to the story
By adamg
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:00am
Vitale didn't just rant about bullshit on Centre Street, she also started ranting about violent crime in Dorchester.
Or people who want to walk
By NoMoreBanks
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:48am
Or people who want to walk somewhere without getting hit by a car. Or - gasp - drivers who realize how psychotic the road is!
We live in the neighborhood and drive a lot and, you know what, it sucks! It sucks to drive on! People are INSANE. Nobody stays in one lane, it's weaving in and out in and out like it's Frogger, between people double parking, taking left turns, stopped against right of way to let other drivers out of driveways, the random unannounced road work by National Grid or Eversource, the u-turns, the speeding, the half-assed parking jobs that jut out into the lanes because people are lazy and the parking is badly designed.
This isn't an issue of Drivers vs Cyclists, or even Drivers vs Everybody Else. Centre St feels dangerous and unpleasant TO DRIVERS. And a huge unspoken piece of this is that a lot of the crazy drivers AREN'T in the neighborhood - they're cutting through to Dedham or Brookline or whatever. Washington has the same issue with cut-throughs driving at psychotic speeds but because it's a straighter road with better left-turns and way less reason to stop and park, it's vaguely less insane. Also that's the "poor" side of the neighborhood so when people get hit by high speed cars nobody cares (which is effed up).
How do you know where the
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:12am
How do you know where the crazy drivers live? Have you stood there for several hours, categorizing each car as crazy or sane, and then asked a cop friend to run the plates to get everyone's address?
And why should it matter which side of the city line someone lives on anyway?
Stop poisoning your brain on
By ZachAndTired
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:56am
Stop poisoning your brain on facebook. There is no nefarious bike lobby out there. We're all just fed up with having to play frogger every time we need to go to CVS.
the bicycle lobby exists
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:16am
I don't know who the thousands of cyclists are who keep signing petitions to support every bicycle project in Cambridge, consequences to drivers, transit riders, and Garden Street neighbors be damned. They certainly aren't out on North Mass Ave when I'm biking there.
Gee I wonder why you don't see them there
By Ari O
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:27pm
Maybe because N Mass Ave is a half-assed attempt at safer bicycling because PARKING (or something) and still isn't that safe.
Come on down to Broadway and Cardinal Maderos some morning and see if you can find the cyclists.
I'm very familiar with the
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 1:50pm
I'm very familiar with the rush hour bike parade to Kendall Square. I think Hampshire gets a bit more bike traffic than Broadway.
I'd say this shows that cycle tracks don't cause cycling, since North Mass Ave has them and Broadway and Hampshire don't (yet). Broadway and Hampshire have traditional bike lanes to the left of curbside parking. So parking doesn't prevent biking either.
I think North Mass Ave doesn't get a lot of bikes because the demand just isn't there. You don't have a large mass of bike people living a biking distance from their destination.
untrue
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 3:44pm
You just don't "see" the bicycles so you can justify hitting them.
I've got the t-shirt
By Angry Dan
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 6:56pm
I proudly wore my All-Powerful Bicycle Lobby colors to the meeting to strike fear into the hearts of realtors. BIROTA OMNIPOTENS!
Ah, I was wondering what kind
By TownieTrash
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:08am
Ah, I was wondering what kind of ghoul would be so tactless as to spread a conspiracy theory in a public hearing about a disabled pedestrian who was run down on Centre Street; a realtor.
Realtors can be pretty
By CH
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:28am
Realtors can be pretty reactionary as a group. It's primarily a social, network-driven profession, so anything that makes a realtor's network mad will tend to make them mad, too, even if that thing would be good for their business. Understanding market conditions and systemic thinking, while they may help an individual get ahead, aren't required.
I have responded to this
By Brian Kennneally
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:03pm
I have responded to this article. I know it is a long response but please read it.
please post a link to the
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:41pm
please post a link to the homicide investigator that determined the victim was not in the crosswalk.
Have you interacted with realtors?
By Ari O
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:24pm
They are all car-brained! They drive everywhere! Meeting a client in Back Bay? Drive there and complain about how hard it is to find parking. They all think the more lanes the better.
Anon
By M. Sanchez
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:28am
Anon HATES his life. Lol.
Did we find common ground?
By tachometer
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 10:39am
Maybe if both sides can unite in their disgust of Catherine Vitale we can set aside our differences to productively find a solution together.
The city presented the
By Kinopio
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:00am
The city presented the solution. Car nuts just don’t want to hear it.
I'd rather have traffic
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:02am
I'd rather have traffic congestion that dead pedestrians.
West Roxbury Road Diet
By Brian Kennneally
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:23am
Your article is being totally dishonest. That was not my argument or even an argument at all. Only having a minute to voice your concerns is not enough time to express your concerns. You know exactly what one of my concerns is. What you are calling an argument was more of a statement. I asked the “City Streets Chief,” Jascha Franklin-Hodge to be more honest and stop misleading people on that particular incident.
Let’s start with the Boston Transportation Department’s own data. The city has done a traffic study on Centre Street and their data show that approximately 16,000 cars use Centre St per day. The Boston Transportation Department also states, that if 20,000 cars or more used Centre St per day then a road diet (reducing the travel lanes) would NOT be used or recommended.
So, if 20,000 cars or more used Centre St, then the Boston Transportation Department would obviously have to come up with a safety plan that does not include a road diet and does not reduce the travel lanes on Centre Street. However, the City and the Boston Transportation Department keep saying that there can be no safety plan to address safety along Centre St unless there is a road diet and travel lanes are reduced. The two just don’t add up. You can’t say that there is no alternative to safety unless there is a reduction of travel lanes but then at the same time, say, if there were over 20,000 cars using Centre St, then we could not and would not recommend a reduction of travel lanes along Centre St.
Obviously if there were 20,000 cars or more using Centre St then the City would provide the residents of our neighborhood a safety plan that does not include a road diet or a reduction of the travel lanes. From the very beginning (over four years ago), all I have asked is that the City and the Boston Transportation Department provide at least one safety plan that does not reduce the travel lanes along Centre St and then let the residents decide which they would prefer.
My main concerns (about a reduction of travel lanes) and solutions (for adding safety) along Centre St are:
⁃ Safety In Our Residential Neighborhoods. Whenever you add more cars or traffic to a street, it is more dangerous. By reducing the travel lanes along Centre St, (which is a commercial district) more cars will be cutting through our residential neighborhoods making the residential neighborhoods less safe (even with the addition of speed bumps or stop signs).
⁃ On-Demand Traffic Signals. These traffic signals only turn red when a pedestrian presses the button to cross the street at a crosswalk (they stay green the rest of the time in order to keep traffic flowing). The Boston Transportation Department states, that these would cause more traffic. But how could they cause more traffic? With or without on-demand traffic signals, cars still must stop when someone is crossing the street. Crossing the street with a red light is much safer than without a red light. And this is exactly why the City added a traffic signal by the Lyndon School and YMCA on Centre Street. The Boston Transportation Department knows that crossing any street with a red light to assist a pedestrian is the safest method.
⁃ Adding on-demand traffic signals at three or four locations along Centre Street would basically solve all pedestrian safety along Centre St.
⁃ The locations where on-demand traffic signals are needed are:
⁃ 1. Esther Rd Crosswalk by the Roche Center and 7-Eleven
⁃ 2. Maple Street by the Post Office
⁃ 3. Hastings Street by Sugar Bakery
⁃ 4. Quinn Way by Metro Bank that leads to Billings Field
⁃ The Boston Transportation Department studied Centre St over four years ago. And they have stated how dangerous it is for any pedestrian along Centre Street. Yet, for over four years they have failed to enact basically any safety measures along Centre St. This is an absolute disgrace! How could they allow this for over four years?
⁃ It is an absolute disgrace that the Boston Transportation Department has not added painted on bike symbols /lanes on the current road configuration along Centre Street to help inform and educate drivers on how to better share the road with cyclists. And that they haven’t added signage along Centre St to help educate and inform drivers on how to better share the road with cyclists. Unfortunately, I have noticed that the City does not have a good track record at keeping such painted-on symbols and lanes well-maintained. These painted-on symbols and lanes wear out all the time and the Boston Transportation Department in many instances is very slow to repaint the symbols and lanes.
⁃ Adding on-demand traffic signals and painted-on bike lanes/symbols and signage to the current road configuration would be the most cost-effective.
For the Boston Transportation Department’s “City Streets Chief” Jascha Franklin-Hodge to state that a woman was killed inside a crosswalk while crossing Centre Street is an absolute disgrace and brings into question his credibility and honesty. The head of homicide that investigated that accident has clearly stated that the pedestrian was not in a crosswalk and sun glare was a major factor in that accident. One death or any any injury along Centre St is too many. For the city to have ignored Centre St for over four years is unfathomable. The Boston Transportation Department has done quite a bit of research and “City Streets Chief” Joshua Franklin Hodge had to have known that the pedestrian was not in a crosswalk. Why he would say that baffles me. The residents of West Roxbury deserve to see multiple safety plans that address safety along Centre St. We deserve to see a plan that does not include a reduction of travel lanes along Centre St as well as a plan that does. And the residents of West Roxbury should have the most input on any such plan because it will be our residential neighborhoods that will be affected with more traffic thus making the residential neighborhoods more dangerous.
Thank you for expanding on the issues with the plan
By adamg
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:46am
But, sorry, you did bring up the issue of where Marilyn Wentworth was when she was hit and killed.
where is this report?
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 3:57pm
Every report and story I can find says she was in the crosswalk.
There is a history of anti-cyclist bias in Boston Homicide. They blamed a cyclist for going under the real wheel of a speeding 18wheeler that violated the law by not yielding to the victim after passing her. They called the victim negligent although for operating her bicycle legally.
CBS news, NBC, FOX are all lying? please post a link.
My glare safety message
By tachometer
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 5:48pm
I'm going to take this opportunity to remind everyone that your shadow points towards those who can't see you (the longer your shadow the worse their vision of you is too).
This is something that all motorcyclists, bicyclists and pedestrians should keep in mind because the clarity which which you can see a car approaching you is very different to what the view 180 degrees and through a pane of glass looks like.
stop blaming the victim
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 5:57pm
If you can't see through the glare then pull over and stop driving.
How fast
By Bobp
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:54pm
Was the driver going when he struck and killed Mrs Wentworth? I engaged with another she wasn't in the crosswalk person recently,I asked him if it was okay she was hit then? Why bring it up. I see people speed and ignore people in the crosswalk all the time. The little girl that had her foot run over was in the crosswalk. Slowing traffic is the only solution. I say this was a life long resident and some one who uses the street on a regular basis. A few more minutes in traffic is worth some ones life
Did they tell where this
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 7:13am
Did they tell where this report is?
There is a history of anti
By Rob
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 5:38pm
Are you talking about Anita Kurmann, or some other incident?
Yes
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 7:34pm
Yes
That's what I thought.
By Rob
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 8:06pm
That's what I thought.
I didn't remember speeding being a part of that, so I searched back through Adam's archive and googled articles from other sources (including bike advocacy sources) to refresh my memory.
I didn't find any report or analysis that supports any contention that the truck driver was speeding.
A strong argument can certainly be made for "hit and run", but that's it.
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Maybe you had it confused with something else.
Inflaming this discussion with incorrect recollections is not helpful.
He was late he was speeding.
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 8:55pm
He was late he was speeding. I can't find the massbike video, but the truck went through that intersection twice. Heading north on Mass Ave he missed the turn on beacon. He went to Cambridge turned around. He came back. The video shows him passing her then swerving to the left to make room for his turn.
Would you like some ranch dressing?
By Ari O
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:29pm
To go with your word salad?
Remember, your convenience should not come at the expense of other people's safety.
Regarding the 20,000 threshold
By HenryAlan 2.0
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:56pm
I think you completely missed the point, which was not that the road diet couldn't be implemented with traffic above that threshold, but that so long as traffic remains below it, then the road diet will not negatively impact car flow. Centre Street should not carry 20,000 vehicles daily, and if it did, true safety advocates would still favor a road diet, in order to reduce that demand.
The Boston Transportation
By ZachAndTired
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 1:46pm
[quote]The Boston Transportation Department studied Centre St over four years ago. And they have stated how dangerous it is for any pedestrian along Centre Street. Yet, for over four years they have failed to enact basically any safety measures along Centre St. This is an absolute disgrace! How could they allow this for over four years?[/quote]
Surely it couldn't have been due to all of the ill-informed and/or bad-faith blowback from people like yourself...
Ultimately it's the fault of
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 2:22pm
Ultimately it's the fault of BTD.
There's also all the other dangerous roads in Boston that don't have West Roxbury people complaining about proposed improvements.
Sure, but
By fungwah
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 4:28pm
"They haven't done anything about it yet" is a pretty bad reason for them to not do anything about it now.
centre street
By thomas mccusker
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 4:09pm
Amazing, all of these pseudo experts who oppose this are now blaming the City for not taking action sooner. The City has tried and been attacked by these very same people over the years. I am very familiar with this roadway and avoid it all costs.
Also, they *have* done some things
By KellyJMF
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 5:42pm
The pseudo experts have also conveniently left out the things enumerated in presentation that actually have been accomplished plus some things they considered and why those were rejected.
@ Cryin Brian
By CenterDom
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 3:14pm
I'm from West Roxbury. My voice counts too. The city's plan addresses all your problems. Except lane reduction. But it's 2023 and you need to learn to share. Also learn that sometimes you gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps and realize you don't get to have it your way just because you cry the loudest. That's all.
"be more honest and stop misleading people"
By Anonymous
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 6:50pm
The meeting was not an inquest, it was about a street design.
Is it fair to say you claimed he was being dishonest, as opposed to being incorrect, and misleading, for a purpose known or unknown? Do you want to spell it out?
Whether or not the deceased was in the crosswalk, the collision cost her life. Are the facts of this unintentional vehicular homicide determinative of an argument for or against the new street design? I think not.
Can I rightly presume the intent of your ask was to discredit Jascha and his case for the new street design? It seems to me your ask was political and argumentative, not compelling or salient.
Uh...physics is hard
By Kaz
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 8:01pm
If there were 25% MORE cars on Centre St per day, there wouldn't be any ROOM for anyone to kill anyone with a car because it'd be a parking lot.
If there were 20,000+ cars on Centre St per day, you couldn't remove any lanes safely because they would be full of cars all the time and it'd be safer because nobody could get up to 25 mph let alone 30+ switching lanes, making U-turns, etc.
Your word salad comment is mighty contradictory on its face
By KellyJMF
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 12:38pm
You seem to be deliberately misleading while accusing everyone else of the same.
-- So you only had a minute and you chose to spend it on victim blaming?
-- You have an issue that the BTD greats a plan based on actual real-world conditions? You want them to spend money and time on creating a plan for the wrong conditions so you can choose the wrong solution for the real conditions? A safety plan is only safe if it addresses the expected conditions. Do you expect the same safety plan for a kitchen step stool versus a ladder up to a roof? If one has a compound leg fracture, would one also want a treatment option optimal for a greenstick fracture?
-- Road diets do not increase traffic simply because you assume/fear they will. That's why agencies match the solution to the actual capacity and volume.
https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/road_diets/resources/p...
-- Road users deserve safety at every crossing, not just 3-4 along the whole stretch.
-- Following the law is every drivers obligation and part of the test they took, however long ago. Signage everywhere for every rule they pretend they have forgotten/are ignorant of to justify their bad driving is not scalable. Some drivers ignore Stop signs. A safety plan, such as a road diet, that makes good driving easier and more likely than bad requires less effort on the part of drivers.
-- Yes, paint wears out, which is why hardscape changes are more effective than paint with no other cues.
-- You complain is that the City didn't do anything for four years, which was in response to the vocal minority's outcry
-- "One death or any any injury along Centre St is too many." But apparently not too many if you don't get your preferred solution.
Weird pettiness from you:
-- quotes for Jascha Franklin-Hodge's title. Not standard style but if that's what you prefer, I will refer to you as -- "Real Estate Professional", Brian Kennneally -- going forward.
-- why you harp on one incident as the yardstick for any changes baffles me. It's almost like you don't care about a true discussion but are throwing up every objection to see what sticks. Please pick your spaghetti off the floor and engage with the topic collaboratively (so we come to a consensus) rather than adversarially (where the primary goal is to "win" and for the other participants to "lose").
"Real Estate Professional", Brian Kennneally, much of your assertions could be marked [citation needed]. My internet searching so far has only come up with studies that run counter to your statements. While you are of course not obligated to do so, I would appreciate any links you can share that have evidence-based sources or industry-wide best-practices.
Logical Fallacies detected in "Real Estate Professional", Brian Kennneally's comment above:
1. The Straw Man Fallacy
2. The Bandwagon Fallacy
4. The False Dilemma Fallacy
5. The Hasty Generalization Fallacy
7. The Correlation/Causation Fallacy
8. The Anecdotal Evidence Fallacy
9. The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy
12. The Personal Incredulity Fallacy
13. The "No True Scotsman" Fallacy
I don't live in WR, but I did
By JonFrum
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 11:56am
I don't live in WR, but I did go to school there, and spent plenty of time on Centre st. over the years. It's been a while, but I don't remember any particular problems while either driving or walking the street. Was it covid, or something? I read down the comments, and you people really sound deranged. Where do they send all the dead bodies after all these auto homicides? Did people really forget how to cross a street? I'm a regular pedestrian, and I've had some close calls in crosswalks, but I don't recall living in a combat zone like West Roxbury seems to have become. Can't we all just get along?
Flag on play, logical fallacies detected
By KellyJMF
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 12:47pm
8. The Anecdotal Evidence Fallacy
12. The Personal Incredulity Fallacy
https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/common-logical-...
Bunch of belly aching
By Mike montclair
Fri, 06/02/2023 - 3:54pm
It’s absolutely not a problem. It’s basically people jumping into crosswalks whenever they want, and even cars going 20mph or under have a tough time stopping. Most of the belly aching on here are people that don’t live around here or are new to the area. How bout, removing the crosswalks not at traffic lights? The majority of those crosswalks didn’t exist a few years back. It’s the mayor pushing her agenda on bike lanes and less fossil fuels and bringing the city to a crawl traffic wise. Finally, whoever commented about Weld st? I’ve lived in the area for 44 years, don’t remember many accidents or pedestrians being hit. There’s not enough traffic for that light at Church st, which was originally a 4-way stop sign. Think for yourselves people!
Another person that doesn't
By cinnamngrl
Sun, 06/04/2023 - 6:51pm
Another person that doesn't care about human life. You don't remember people being hit because you are selfish.
Yes, please
By BenHa
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 12:48pm
I live on Spring St., near the VA, drive mostly everywhere, and am wholly supportive of this. The Center-Spring corridor is a toxic mess and needs to be throttled down.
FWIW, I think that the city’s meek attempt to restore some sanity to the road - in the absence of any police enforcement of laws - through the rolling red light regime that would have a driver going the speed limit stop at most lights between about Lagrange and Roche Bros tends to backfire by giving further inducement to drivers to floor it to beat the reds.
Better traffic light timing
By anon
Thu, 06/01/2023 - 2:23pm
Better traffic light timing would reward driving the speed limit and punish speeding. Time the lights so that if you speed, the next light won't have turned green yet when you get there.
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