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South Boston Lithuanian club to owners of neighboring condo: We're not doing the bad stuff you claim, we were here first and what did you expect moving near West Broadway?

The South Boston Lithuanian Citizens Association yesterday asked a judge to deny a request by two neighbors that he shut it down immediately, saying that even if they could make the case that events and patrons at the group's West Broadway home were excessively noisy and rowdy - which it says they can't - the harm to the association would far outweigh any problems the couple is having.

Adam and Shelby Burns, who in 2016 purchased a condo on E Street at Athens Street, behind the association's four-story building at 368 West Broadway, filed suit in Suffolk Superior Court on Thursday, charging noise and rowdiness by drunken, drugged patrons at and after events has gotten so bad they sometimes try to find alternative places to sleep when they learn of upcoming events. They filed affidavits by two West Broadway residents to support their claim; one of the two said things have gotten so bad he's had to sell his condo.

Along with their suit, the Burnses filed a request for a temporary restraining order that would prohibit the association from renting out its facilities to outside group while their suit is pending - including several events scheduled for this month.

Suffolk Superior Court Judge Debra Squires-Lee scheduled a hearing yesterday afternoon on the couple's request for a temporary restraining order to bar any events at the association facility while their case is pending. Court records as of today have yet to be updated with the results of her hearing.

In an answer to the complaint, the association's lawyer, Scott Clifford, offered a series of arguments against any sort of pre-trial injunction, starting with the basic "We were here first."

The association purchased the building - in which it uses the top two floors - in 1949. Clifford cited a 1992 Massachusetts Appeals Court ruling involving a couple who moved next to a bakery that had been there for decades, which in turn cited a 1914 Supreme Judicial Court ruling involving a group of summer-cottage owners who sued the granite company they moved next to. In that case, the state's highest court concluded: "No one can move into a quarter given over to foundries and boiler shops and demand the quiet of a farm."

Clifford noted the nature of West Broadway: "The area in question is lined with many commercial establishments up and down West Broadway including several restaurants, bars and nightclubs."

In an affidavit, an association official said the club is in full compliance with Boston and state noise regulations and that, after a BPD licensing detective urged the association to buy a meter to monitor noise levels around the building during events, it did, and now has an employee walk around the building hourly with the meter to make sure any noise isn't excessive.

He added that the association videoed the employee walking around taking the readings - one of the Burnses' complaints was that the facility manager has taken to harassing them, including by videoing them both on the street and in their home. The association also has somebody clean up any trash after events, he wrote.

Clifford continued that the association relies on leases by outside groups to support itself and maintain the building and that barring events would immediately jeopardize its finances. He charged the the Burnses' attorney failed to provide a single case to justify harming the association to that extent, let alone to show that the association owes them some sort of legal duty to completely shield them from annoyances he says aren't happening, or in legal terms, that "the gravity of the alleged harm outweighs the utility of the Defendants' conduct in the use of the Premises."

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…. with city housing which so many claim is desperately needed in Boston.
Even if this housing may likely be not so needed luxury housing it appears to be primary housing.
Whatever the outcome of this case, it would behoove the club to keep a tighter rein on what goes on during private events and observe noise ordinances.

MUFFY TEMPERMAN ALERT!!!

Weird non-sensical retort followed by the word behoove.

The law is on the club's side there buddy.

I am sorry if you don't get the reference to Muffy. I know you were in you late 30's in the early 80's.

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… with on the Common as you tie their feet together with string?

So, perhaps some ginseng root might be advisable on your end.

However, it is a fact that you laughed at homeless people lighting themselves on fire. Such a subhuman way to get joy by you.

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Muffy's last name did not have an "m" in it.

Muffy Tepperman was the prototypical preppy who minded everyone else's business other than her own. She was played by Jami Gertz.

How about, if the club is in the right, the behoovery bus moves along and the club continues on as before?

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I'm pretty sure the behoovery bus is being used as a shuttle for the MBTA at the moment.

Did they not know where their condo was when they bought it?

I remember a couple buying a house behind a bar parking lot and complaining about the car noise and demanding the bar change its business hours (they lost)

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They probably never expected rowdy Lithuanians in a building like that(it looks like a New York walk up), in South Boston. When is the South Boston Lithuanian parade? Do they march to the Polish triangle?

…they march to the beat of a different drummer ;-)

The guy who married his husband and then moved to Bay Village next to Jacques, the oldest drag bar in the country, and then promptly tried shut it down because he didn’t wanna have to explain to his son what a drag queen is. Dude wouldn’t even have been able to marry his husband if it hadn’t been for the drag queens in Stonewall and elsewhere. And if he’s not capable of explaining what a drag queen is to his son then he’s not fit to be a father.

Pere Marquette K of C became a major problem for their neighbors at N and Broadway in the early 80's. They disrespected everyone, and ignored pleas from abutters with legitimate complaints. It ultimately led to the sale of their building and relocating to a relative shack on Old Colony, after older members who weren't around so much got wind of what was going on. This situation is very reminiscent. In the 80's, newcomers were derisively referred to as DINK's (double income, no kids). Most who stayed eventually did have kids, and are now the "older people" who the current newcomers love to hate. If the Lithuanian Club doesn't open their eyes and ears and consider mediation, they may not lose outright, but they will be under serious scrutiny and on a much tighter leash.

these blow-ins are going to move out of the city anyways

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In the 1970s he served on the Planning Board in Burlington, a town that was long known for its pig farming and ham production. A group of residents, mostly folks who had recently relocated to the "country" from Medford, Charlestown, Malden, and Somerville, etc. and recently purchased houses in a new subdivision next to one of the last remaining pig farms in town. They petitioned Board of Health to shut the farm down due to the stench that would waft over to their neighborhood when the wind blew certain way, and when the Board of Health didn't give them what they wanted, they petitioned the Planning Board to introduce an article to Town Meeting to rezone the farm. Both boards had to gently tell them that they had no power to do so, due to it being in an agricultural zone and meeting the health standards of the day. The Planning Board reminded them that the pig farm had been there for more than a century before their street was even built and that the'd just have to wait it out until the owner of the farm asked for it to be rezoned (which happened in the late 1980s when McCarthy Drive was built in its place)

Stories like this are common in VT, also, when city folk (generally from NYC) buy a country home in VT - close to a milking facility that starts up at 4 AM.

… is nature. Far from it.

… pig farms in MA.

Glad it’s gone.

Now the pork Bay Staters consume comes from factory farms in places like Iowa and North Carolina.

Problem solved.

For the time being.

the rich condo owners who'd bought across the street from South Street Diner started complaining it was open 24 hours as it had been since the 40s, didn't like the noise, pushed the Licensing Board to make it close at 1am, and got told to fuck off?

That was awesome.

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And just about everyone gets their nose out of joint when somebody else pushes a limit that they want left untested.

Limits should be pushed. Otherwise we’d still be living in feudal times.

There's an uproar if a convience store wants to sell alcohol becuz children ...

But this is just fine? Hmmmm

A social club that is licensed and holds events is being a social club, holding events. Same as it ever was. Not sure how that has ANYTHING to do with selling alcohol at convenience stores.

Keep in mind, there's not a single verifiable example of anything untoward or actionable at all in the complaint.