The City Council today unanimously approved a measure that would ban thin plastic shopping bags and enact a 5-cent fee on paper bags and thicker plastic bags, as a way of reducing litter, helping the environment and curbing the use of the oil required to make them.
The measure, proposed by City Councilor Matt O'Malley (West Roxbury and Jamaica Plain) and Michelle Wu (at large), would go into effect in a year if approved by Mayor Walsh.
O'Malley said the measure would save the city money just in reducing the amount of bags the city's recycling company is now forced to spend "hours each day" picking out of recycling collections - in addition to leading to cleaner streets and parks and reducing the amount of plastic that birds and other creatures now consume inadvertently.
"Their convenience does not outweigh the significant costs associated with them," O'Malley said.
O'Malley estimated city residents now use 357 million of the bags a year. The proposed 5-cent fee would be a way to "incentivize" residents to increase their use of reusable bags without being too onerous, he said.
At the same time, Councilor Ayanna Pressley (at large) urged the city to look at ways to distribute free reusable bags in low-income neighborhoods and among seniors. She noted that people who shop at some supermarkets, such as Save-a-Lot in Roxbury, already face a fee for getting store-supplied fees - and that shoppers there are showing their preference for a more environmentally friendly future.
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By Chris In Allston
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:41am
Put a nickel deposit on scratch tickets, I think they are the number one litter item around many parts of the city.
But I REUSE and RECYCLE my plastic bags!
By Marcia Kennedy
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:41pm
What am I supposed to do now (or a year from now) when I have a turkey carcass to discard, cat litter to dispose, and where do I put wet trash that I pick up around the yard/neighborhood before I get back to my trash barrel ???
You could always buy some
By zetag
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:19pm
unless you're too entitled and expect to have everything handed to you.
??
By Logan
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:30pm
Are you being serious? You can buy 100 Market Basket type bags for nothing.
Buy for single-use-only?
By Marcia
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 5:19pm
Sure I can buy bags. That is not the issue. What I try to do is REUSE before sending directly from store to trash!
Good for you.
By blues_lead
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 7:22pm
Good for you.
I do too! I also try to limit the number I end up with!
But I still end up with scores.
And most of mine don't end up being reused - there's just not enough alternate use.
I welcome this ban.
Start now. Ask friends,
By anon
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:13am
Start now. Ask friends, neighbors, strangers for their hordes of bags and bags they're bringing out to the curb. Build up a supply of bags that exist right now, instead of contributing to demand for new ones each time you go to the store.
Bring the trash barrel to you
By Matt
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:44pm
Bring the trash barrel to you? You really need a plastic bag that will be around for 100s of years because you need a special container to walk something across your house? Seems selfish.
Plastic bags can be reused,
By Matt
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:46pm
Plastic bags can be reused, but not recycled. Also, it's reduce-reuse-recycle in that order. Reducing is the most impactful step and that's exactly what Boston is doing.
Citation needed
By perruptor
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:41am
As noted above, many groceries have bins for collecting returned plastic bags. I believe these bins are labeled "Recycle," and can't think of any reason why the bags cannot be reduced to raw material and made into new things.
I'm Ok with this. Most of us
By Patricia-can't ...
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:46pm
I'm Ok with this. Most of us, I assume, already use our own bags. I rarely forget mine, but when I do I hate having to carry 25 plastic bags in the house.
Once you start using your own, you'll like it better. Better for packing and carrying. Plus, not eyeing a plastic bag stuck in a tree knowing you'll be looking at that thing till it disintegrates is a good thing.
Plastic bags just aren't practical for groceries anyways.
A decent proposal
By Waquiot
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 2:55pm
I'm a big fan of reducing waste, both in terms of what we send to landfills and what ends up as trash in the street. This is a good step. Grocery stores are insane. I got 1 item (a gallon of orange juice) the other day and they put it in 2 bags. And yes, I should have brought my own bag. My usual carrying bag was full. The weekly trip to the store entails the reusables. It's a habit more people should adopt.
You could ask them not to
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:47pm
You could ask them not to double bag it.
It went very quickly
By Waquiot
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 7:25pm
I mean, I had my backpack on my shoulder. She could have asked if I even needed a bag. It’s how they’re trained, I think.
I reuse the bags for dog waste
By StillFromDorchester
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:04pm
And other things, they are very convenient and I guess I'll drive over the bridge to the Quincy Stop and Shop to do my grocery shopping.
Hear hear
By Lunchbox
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:32pm
What other freedom-loving jurisdictions surrounding Boston can you still get good, honest, decent plastic bags?
I know Medford...
So you two are going to burn extra gas
By zetag
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:43pm
and shop further from home just to get a plastic bag instead of buying a couple reusable ones and leaving them in your car?
It's not much further
By StillFromDorchester
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:53pm
from my house to Newport Ave than it is to Freeport St.
They can pass ordinances as they see fit and I can shop where I like...It's a great country.
Not much further is still further
By zetag
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:11pm
and this trend will continue, Quincy won't be far behind. You're sure to find yourself on the wrong side of history on this one.
I'll be ok
By StillFromDorchester
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:14pm
Don't worry.
So you're happy paying more
By SteveE
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:12pm
So you're happy paying more in gas and time than paying maybe 50 cents for 10 recyclable heavy-duty plastic bags that would support your local supermarket?
Ok.
I'm not either of the above
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:52pm
I'm not either of the above posters, but I for one am more than happy to spend $2 to keep $1 from getting into the hands of or otherwise benefiting the self-important parasites that call themselves government (or anyone their laws are indirectly benefiting). I will absolutely not patronize businesses in cities that pull this shit (or the styrofoam ban, or any other nonsense like this).
Hey, it's a free country. You
By RoseMai
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 1:49pm
Hey, it's a free country. You're free to be totally irrational and as wasteful as you want.
You could even move out of MA and patronize businesses somewhere where their government doesn't give a rat's patootie about you or what you do! Say, Alabama or Mississippi, maybe?
Feel free.
I will shop Quincy
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:59pm
because I have been shopping Newport Ave for years (and I see a ton of people from Southie and Dorchester there also). The City of Quincy are unlike the morons in Boston who want to ban plastic bags. Reusable bags are unhealthy and dirty.
I'll shop Quincy
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 6:37pm
and bring my plastic bags into the City. What's O'Malley going to do? Put a Customs agent at the bottom of the bridge in Neponset? People can't afford to live in Boston and this is the best the City Council can do?
Only for you
By adamg
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 7:00pm
There's already a warrant with your name on it waiting at the new police substation they're building right at the Neponset River bridge.
Jesus, don't worry, they're not going to send in SWAT teams to search your house for bags. All the ordinance means is you won't be able to get them anymore at your Boston local supermarket. Knock yourself out and go shop in Quincy. But why stop there? Roll some coal and barrel all the way down to Hingham, or even the Cape! Trade in your car for a used Hummer so you can really show O'Malley what's what.
This is hardly a new concept even in Boston. Ayanna Pressley mentioned Save-A-Lot in Roxbury. There's a supermarket on River Street on the Hyde Park/Mattapan line that also charges for bags. You know what people do? They bring in their own bags, or boxes. The store's been open for several years now - dogs and cats haven't started sleeping together, the Commonwealth still stands, and the store remains open.
And when it becomes a state law?
By Brighton-ite
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 9:05pm
which is probably inevitable. You're going to drive to New Hampshire, right?
Counterpoint
By Lunchbox
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:31pm
Paper bags suck and are inconvenient to use. Dragging canvas bags around is a pain in the ass. Plastic bags have a million re-uses.
Step in the wrong direction.
Dragging bags around?
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:04pm
I have a tiny purse and manage this - just get the packable ones for $0.50 at IKEA. All set.
You can just buy your own
By Logan
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:31pm
You can just buy your own thin plastic bags, I don't see the problem?
I love paper bags - always
By anon
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:20am
I love paper bags - always ask for them, use them to hold recyclables in my kitchen, flat bottoms make them stand up, when they're full they go into recycling with the cans inside them - plastic okay to reuse for cat litter and dog poop but size of them usually doesn't work for much else, though seen them used as replacement for packing peanuts when friends send packages.
Paper bags + rain = even more
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:35pm
Paper bags + rain = even more litter on the ground
At least they biodegrade and
By RoseMai
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 1:51pm
At least they biodegrade and won't be there in a few months, much less for the next few centuries like a lot of plastic will be.
Not a new idea
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:40pm
Washington DC banned free-plastic-bags way back in 2009. If anything, Boston is late to do the same.
Just like when restaurants started to require customers to pack their own leftovers, it's weird at first, but people get used to it pretty quickly.
The entire state of
By Matt
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:47pm
The entire state of California banned plastic bags and it was the voters who voted it in.
I'd prefer a 5 cent discount
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:47pm
I'd prefer a 5 cent discount for every bag you bring yourself (plastic, paper, or reusable).
I've never let a plastic bag end up in a tree or waterway. I reuse them until they rip or get dirty, then bring them to the bag recycle bin in the store, or put my trash in it (which the city requires). Yet I'm still being punished by this law.
I don't see how I'd get a book or a greeting card home from the store on a rainy day without using a plastic bag. Maybe in places where everyone drives you can fake it with a paper or reusable bag, but if you're on foot or taking transit it will get ruined during your walk home.
I've gotten some amazing quantities of stuff home by bicycle using plastic bags. Paper bags would have torn on the first bump.
Now I'll have to take a large stockpile of bags whenever I go shopping in another town. And the Pacific garbage patch is still there. So what have we accomplished?
To the people saying buy plastic bags yourself and don't expect them for free -- well, it would be nice if stores were allow to sell them to me in the quantities I need. But that's illegal now.
Studies have shown that
By Matt
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:50pm
Studies have shown that people are much more likely to change their behavior and bring their own bags if they get a fine for not having them rather than an equal discount for bringing them. Human nature is funny.
For all shopping?
By Lecil
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:49pm
Does this effect all vendors, or just grocery stores?
If plastic bags in city
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:50pm
If plastic bags in city recycling are the problem, the correct solution is to slap large "NO PLASTIC BAGS" stickers on everyone's bins.
Banning grocery bags isn't the answer. People still end up with a lot of plastic bags from food packaging.
How would that help solve the
By blues_lead
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 7:27pm
How would that help solve the pollution and litter problem?
Have you never watched
By Refugee
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 8:09pm
Have you never watched [i]American Beauty[/i], the movie starring the artsy old plastic bag flapping in the breeze?
As we all should know
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 3:59pm
Cambridge already did this 2 or 3 years ago.
Dogs did not form packs and terrorize the city.
Buildings did not collapse.
The world did not fail to continue turning.
Stores have not gone out of business.
No, your straw-men haven't
By anon
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 6:42pm
No, your straw-men haven't happened.
But I have to take huge bags of bags home when I come across them in other cities, and keep a huge stockpile in my house.
And I haven't seen any proof of benefits from this ban.
This is my skeptical face
By blues_lead
Sun, 12/03/2017 - 6:10pm
How hard have you looked, honestly?
I am really happy this passed
By Logan
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 4:32pm
I am really happy this passed!
I guarntee you if people voted on it,
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 5:09pm
it would not pass.
People did vote on it.
By Bob Leponge
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 5:48pm
But we did vote on it.
We voted on it by electing city council members. The city council members' votes on this were consistent with the positions they put forth during their campaigns or during their previous terms.
There are a number of good reasons we have an elected government rather than government by plebiscite.
Dog Poop Everywhere....?
By scooterdude
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 5:09pm
(Just an aside issue, but,.... I re-use every plastic bag to pick up after my dog. I'm curious how this will impact conscientious dog owners who clean up after their dogs. Will there be some option for cleaning up...? Scoopers and then placing the debris openly in public trash receptacles ? City-Supplied poop bags? Reusable poop bags? Recycled paper bags? Oh, hell, why bother about it all, why not just leave it on the sidewalk like every one else.)
I'm just spitballing here,
By Brent Jeffries
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 6:54pm
I'm just spitballing here, but maybe people could, oh I don't know, buy a dozen rolls of dog poop bags for a buck? They even make biodegradable ones. Who knew?
I get it. The poop-bags you buy are OK. (Just not the freebies)
By scooterdude
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:09am
Silly me.
I thought the intent of the City of Boston prohibition was against plastic refuse and plastic bags in general. Now, it seems you're suggesting that the City is really targeting only those from grocery stores.
(And, re: biodegradable poop bags, .... let me know where I can get them... Order on line? "Please hold my dog's leash while I search for cash I don't have and join another corporate scheme to defraud environmental conscious dog owners. (Biodegradabel?! LOL Show me the land-fills where these will be deposited....)
Amazing new products for your dog!
By lbb
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 9:05am
You're evidently not aware of this, but they even sell these newfangled leashes with a container to hold poop bags. Pretty much every city dog owner I know has one. Check it out, this could change your life!
Generally I'm in favor of these kinds of things
By UHub-fan
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 6:24pm
as long as they don't take it to absurd ends, like Cambridge did -- am I really supposed to bring my own bag to a coffee shop if I want a muffin to go?
why not? It's a habit shift.
By Kelly
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:52am
why not? It's a habit shift...
Why not?
By lbb
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 9:06am
I guess I just don't see it as that absurd for customers to provide their own packaging. It really won't harm you.
The bags aren't free - stores
By Kelly
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 6:29pm
The bags aren't free - stores charge the customer through product pricing for the bags you get for 'free'.
I know there are many people who also rely on them to reuse for household purposes (cat litter/bathroom trash bags, etc.). Maybe if we all have pay for this resource perhaps it will lead to more creative ways of disposing waste (and I'm not talking about dumping it by the side of the highway). Composting, for example. The city has municipal compost bins at various points across the city (Project Oscar). If you have access to a yard your an also compost your pet waste. I know this is wishful thinking - but you never know.
Also - paper bags - while they come from a reusable resource - are much heavier and we then have to use more gas to ship them.
And to another point - I'm continually amazed by how people constantly put plastic bags in the recycling....It seems like a vast majority don't know what goes in the blue bin...I blame the classic recycle symbol (three arrows in a triangle) with the number in the middle - which does not mean something is recyclable - but identifies the item as plastic. The #6 (styrofoam), for example, isn't recyclable but many people believe it is so because of the symbol.
Technically incorrect
By perruptor
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 6:59am
Styrofoam could be recycled. It's chemically identical to the hard styrene plastic that the recycling companies do accept. They don't want to deal with the foam plastic because it takes up more room in their trucks. Cities and towns go along with the prohibition because the stuff blows out of bins and trucks and makes a mess.
The recycling companies created the myth by saying "The recycling symbol doesn't mean an item is recyclable." Actually, that is what it means. That they choose not to accept something does not mean it could never be reconstituted to raw material and reused. They are just shifting the burden of styrofoam into the waste stream.
well - if it isn't recyclable
By Kelly
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:50am
well - if it isn't recyclable in the city's municipal program - then whether it can be recycled or not doesn't quite matter because it won't be. You can use programs like Terracycle to recycle hard to recycle items - but it's often cost prohibitive...even for an environmental nut like me.
The symbol is a part of any plastic product - I meant that people think when they see the triangle they can put it in the blue bin - unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. I think that's one of the big issues with why plastic bags are constantly put in the bins...
Someone's point of putting a sticker on the bins that says no plastic bags is a good one...
But it does matter
By perruptor
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 12:59pm
Recycling companies are imposing their decision to not accept plastic bags and styrofoam on the municipalities they serve. This is strictly a profit-motivated choice. They could accept bags and foam, and if it becomes more profitable, they will leap to do so. In the meantime, these things go into the waste stream and are destroyed, released, or buried, providing no benefit to anyone, making waste disposal more costly, and fouling the environment.
It matters.
WRT bags, there apparently IS a recycling program for them, but the curbside pickup outfits don't want to be part of it.
You're not supposed to put
By anon
Fri, 12/01/2017 - 6:39pm
You're not supposed to put dog poop into compost.
And you can't compost most of the stuff I throw in my bathroom trash.
The symbol is supposed to mean something is recyclable. But bag/styrofoam manufacturers and individual city recycling programs don't agree on what's acceptable.
How About Styrofoam Ban?
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 6:31pm
This is one step in the right direction, but if the Council really has the guts to do something, they should take on styrofoam next - all the Dunkin Donuts cups and takeout containers, which are not biodegradable and take up a ton of space in trash.
How sbout
By anon
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 8:49pm
Lowering our property taxes?
Orange Cones And Broken Chairs
By bannedinboston
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 8:22pm
How about doing something about all the orange cones and broken chairs that litter Boston streets between December and April?
Losers.
Health hazards of reusable shopping bags
By WalkingTheDog
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 8:19am
Something to think about . . .
https://fighttheplasticbagban.files.wordpress.com/...
From here:
https://fighttheplasticbagban.com
Updated: Changed the subject line for people who could not see beyond the example to consider the larger question.
A simple solution
By Waquiot
Wed, 11/29/2017 - 9:19pm
When you grab a bag for your kid’s apples, grab an extra one for the chicken. If you shop at the West Roxbury Roche Brothers, the produce is close to the meats. We do it all the time.
Of course, if the meat department does a good job wrapping the meat, no juice will come out.
Somehow Ireland has handled this for a decade without everyone dying.
Most grocery stores
By poster
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 11:03am
I've been in have a roll of the produce bags over the raw meat refrigerators.
Easy solution
By Kaz
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 2:10pm
When you get home, don't wipe your ass with your reusable bags.
99 comments and a bag ain't
By anon
Thu, 11/30/2017 - 12:56am
99 comments and a bag ain't one.
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