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Excel High student, mom arrested trying to battle their way into school to attack another student, DA says
By adamg on Mon, 09/19/2022 - 3:57pm
Officials locked down Excel High School in South Boston Friday afternoon as BPD officers battled with a 14-year-old student and her mother, both intent on finding the student they claim had earlier spit on the girl, the Suffolk Count District Attorney's office reports.
Mom, 31, was arraigned in South Boston Municipal Court today on charges of assault and battery on a police officer, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct, as well as for carrying a dangerous weapon - the pocket knife the DA's office says she was packing as she tried to push her way into the school, the DA's office says. Judge Paul Treseler set bail at $250 and ordered her to stay away from the school. Her daughter was charged with being delinquent for assault and battery on a police officer and resisting arrest and will be arraigned at a later date, the DA's office says.
According to the DA's office:
Assistant District Attorney Kelly Ryan said that at about 1:30 pm Friday Boston police responded to a call for a school resource officer in trouble at Excel High School on G Street. Police observed the mother screaming at school personnel and the mother and daughter attempting to push their way into the school. School officials told police that the mother and daughter told them another student had spit on the daughter.
When the mother refused school officials’ and officers’ requests to stop trying to enter the school, officers moved to place her under arrest. The mother resisted, and the daughter punched one of the officers. The mother also kicked an officer while being placed in a cruiser. At booking officers found the mother to be in possession of a pocketknife with a blade longer than 2.5 inches.
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Addicted to Rage
We are a nation that is addicted to rage.
MAGAts.. and people like this mother.
Really? Going into a school because someone spit on your daughter? An adult breaks into a school to go beat up someone under the age of 18? (assume here since they are at Excel)
I don't care what your reasoning is.. Adults do not go after kids so they can seek revenge. (period)
excuse me.. but what the living fuck has gotten into people lately?
We've just moved to vigilante justice instead?
We are addicted to rage. And it shows. No common sense. No thinking. Just rage.. all the time. Its easier to act like a rage filled fool than it is to take 20 seconds to UNDERSTAND something. Nope, we'll just go off on rage.
I really do weep for our future society... its not gonna be fun, kids.
Mother is 31, daughter is 14
It doesn't help that the mother is young enough to be my daughter, but has a kid in high school.
Somebody never grew up. I hope the resulting intervention at least gives her daughter a chance to become a functioning adult.
Kids
Kids having kids.
This is the result of that.
Eh, let's not
While we generally want to encourage people to delay childbearing, most young parents step it up and their kids do just fine.
Let’s, because having a kid
Let’s, because having a kid while still a kid is never ideal and often a disaster. Just look at the red states.
Even childless adults
Can be ignorant assholes.
What world do you live on?
Children of teen parents do overwhelmingly worse than children of older parents in literally every category. From education, mental and physical health, cognitive health, behavior, it's all significantly worse. I can't even believe this would need to be debated.
Most teen parents don't step up. Most teen parents don't stay together, most teen parents are stuck in low wage, low skill jobs, most teen parents are poorly educated, and most importantly, most teen parents can't parent.
...
Yes, I'm quite aware of the research, as a court clinician and frequent expert witness on parental fitness.
Sure, there's research that younger parents as a population have poorer outcomes on many measures. We can also find this same research regarding parents of color, poorer parents, disabled parents, parents who didn't attend college, single parents, and so forth.
Hell, there is research that children fare better when they learn a musical instrument from a young age, and research that bilingual children have better outcomes. You know what that means? Kids who speak one language and don't learn an instrument "are worse off." We can find research comparing many different parenting circumstances. None of this establishes what's bare minimum acceptable parenting and which conditions make it OK for people to say "well you and your family suck and your parent shouldn't have had you."
Most children turn out fine. Most children born to young parents aren't engaging in premeditated assaults.
Also, this parent is now 31. But we want to blame their age?
What we need to not do is hear that a child is from a particular type of home and say that it's bad for children to have that particular type of home. The rest of the children in similar situations who are being parented just fine can hear this. One of the difficulties faced by young parents is constant stigma and judgment, which creates toxic stress, which worsens outcomes for parents and families.
As I said, we can encourage families to delay childbearing (just as we can and should take steps in society to have better housing, healthcare, education, etc.), but we need to knock off this whole "young parents suck" rhetoric. Once families already exist, they need support and affirmation.
Are you a parent?
I'm genuinely curious.
Shocking, if true.
Right, they're just 25x more likely, and 13% more likely to be incarcerated. (http://www.teenshelter.org/Jims_Statistics_on_Teenage_Pregnancy_11-11-06...)
My guess would be that the grandmother was also a teenager, and mom did not receive proper parenting as a child either. This is a cycle that repeats itself.
This is insanity, and why the teenage pregnancy cycle goes on for generations. Yes, we need to discourage children from becoming teen parents in the strongest terms possible. It's a monumental mistake. This includes the kids being "parented just fine" who may think that their, and their baby's circumstances would be same as the situation they're currently in, if they got pregnant at 16.
Nobody is saying this, and you keep substituting young for teen. We're not talking about young parents, we're talking about teen parents. Teen parents suck. Most teenagers can not navigate the complicated prenatal health system the way an adult can, don't know how to ask for support, don't understand the mental and physical changes, don't do the research needed for after the baby arrives, and the vast majority come from shitty homes to begin with, so they don't have the necessary family support.
This really shouldn't be controversial, or worthy of a debate, eeka. Teen pregnancy makes life significantly harder for both the mother and the child. Again, teen pregnancy should be discouraged, it should be discussed with your kids and they should fully understand the repercussions and potential damage it can do their lives, and the life of the baby.
Yes I’m a parent
But what does that have to do with you thinking it’s acceptable to trash other parents and say that a whole demographic of them suck?
My dad is an addict. He's
My dad is an addict. He's been an addict since before I was born and he's still an addict, has just managed to shift that addiction to somewhat healthier avenues. That said, he was an... okay dad. Definitely missed a lot of the statistical worse outcomes, managed to stay employed and keep paying bills, none of the horror stories frequently associated with addiction-afflicted households.
Does that mean I wholeheartedly encourage people with addictions to go out and have children at the first opportunity? Does that mean that nobody can criticize, using data, parents who have addictions and neglect their children, because that wasn't my experience and it will hurt my feelings? Jesus christ, no. I was statistically LUCKY. As an adult I can acknowledge that and I am strongly against people who have unmanaged and unchecked addictions deciding to add children to their already messed up lives without thinking about the consequences. I don't think that's a particularly controversial take but apparently in eeka land it's mean so we can't talk about it.
I think you may be conflating people saying "X situation is generally bad and usually has bad outcomes so we should probably discourage people dealing with X to have kids" with "people who have kids and are X are bad and should have their kids removed". Obviously if a teen has a kid that's a done deal and society should step up and there's no point in closing the barn door of shame after the fact. But that doesn't mean kids shouldn't be told early "hey being a teen parent sucks and is generally bad for you and your kid". If a parent falls into addiction their family should be supported, but if someone's on their third DUI and drinking a case a day, maybe "hey when are you having kids" isn't the appropriate conversation.
Thank you!
It's an important point, all too often lost. My mom was a teenager when she bore my sister. We both turned out just fine.
Jim Abbott
Became a helluva Major League pitcher with one hand, the exception is not the rule.
Had his birthday this week!
How do you shake hands with him, anyway? Do you go lefty because that's his only hand, or do you reach for his right arm because you don't want to treat a guy with a disability differently?
Newsflash. Not all teens who
Newsflash. Not all teens who get pregnant turn out to be bad mothers. Stop shaming.
Ridiculous statement
It's not 100%? So what?
Most people will be better parents if they wait beyond their high school years. We, as a society, should encourage that.
Nuance
As usual, people on this site can't do nuance.
Kids who play an instrument from a young age do better in a shitload of outcomes.
From that research, we can infer that it's irresponsible for parents not to provide this. The ones who don't must not care about their kids! Their kids are deprived of something that's shown to improve their outcomes!
Or, we can calm the fuck down and realize that most kids turn out just fine, and we can encourage practices that improve outcomes (such as waiting to have children until later), while also affirming and supporting all kids and families who already exist.
Kids who play an instrument
Or we can infer that kids whose parents have the combination of money, free time, and access to resources to support music lessons do better, for a shitload of socioeconomic reasons that have nothing to do with music. Not quite a spurious correlation but close to it
Nope!
This research has been done using programs that provide free instrumental instruction to students attending Head Start and public-school pre-K. There was quite a bit of improvement in multiple areas for poorer kids, but not a whole lot of wealthier kids.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying instrumental instruction needs to be prioritized as something to provide to children. I'm pointing out that we can't just take research demonstrating things are helpful to children and families and extrapolate that families without are horribly neglected and their parents should be blamed. I chose the music study because it's an area in which pretty much everyone would agree that, yeah, it's definitely something that kids are perfectly fine without. A previous commenter stated that kids with young parents "don't do fine" because their outcomes are worse than kids with older parents. We could also say kids who don't get violin lessons aren't "doing fine" because kids who do are doing better. But we shouldn't say that, because no.
Public schools with
Public schools with instrumental music lessons are generally better, and sending kids to a bad school will result in worse outcomes. Also if the lessons aren’t mandatory, the parents who encourage it are the ones who take an active interest in their kids’ education.
I'd want to see a comparative study
That's interesting!
I think everyone ought to have a chance to have fun making music especially with other musicians, and I don't doubt that it improves a bunch of outcomes.
Random Question eeka.....
When you talk about instrumental instruction, do you mean one on one music lessons? Or like a "music class" with a 5-1 or 10-1 or 25-1 teacher to child ratio?
If I recall
I don’t have journal access where I am right now, but I know for sure it was violin, I am pretty sure it was not strictly Suzuki or Sistema but similar to those approaches, and I believe it was daily group instruction. These methods teach fairly slowly and one skill at a time, so a teacher with 10 students is still able to walk down the line of students and check that technique is correct.
There have been other studies done in other places as well, like all of the El Sistema research, but I mentioned this specifically because I am more familiar with it. It’s pretty established though that learning an instrument and learning a second or more language improves a lot of outcomes for kids; the point I was making was that research that something improves outcomes for kids does not equate to not having it being some tragedy.
Thank you.
nt
Yes, you should
calm the fuck down. I didn't say teen parents don't "care about their kids." I said, on average, they would be better parents if they waited.
Assuming your research about instruments is accurate, then yes, we should be encouraging that as well.
Right, encouraging
We encourage instrumental instruction.
We don’t say “of course this kid is committing crimes; their preschool didn’t offer violin” or “what kind of shitty parent doesn’t have their kids learning an instrument?”
We also can encourage delayed childbearing without speaking poorly of existing children who are reading this and seeing that people have an issue with them existing.
Newsflash
Poverty and immaturity and lack of options and isolation lead to poor outcomes.
Newsflash: I deal with SDOH data on a regular basis and know how teen parents have the deck stacked against their kids.
Forget Mom
Where's the loser who (expletived) in her in all of this?
I agree
I agree with most of these comments, young mother who’s still young in her mindset and instead of parenting, she’s down for the b.s. I was a teenager 19 years old to be exact but I wasn’t trying to earn cool points with my daughters by trying to fight their friends. A different breed of parents a different breed of young ppl period.
Shame
For a lot of people,
For a lot of people, vigilante justice is the only justice they think they'll get. The system has, and has always, failed so, so many people. If you're the kind of person who thinks "well why didn't she simply report it to the school admin and then to the police to press charges" then I envy you having lived a life where those kind of steps actually work.
It's not an excuse but it's an explanation. if this country wants to walk back from the brink of this insanity, we need institutions (police, justice, educational) that actually support and help people, not whirl into peoples lives to destroy things like some kind of natural disaster.
$250
Is a joke.
$250?
You can buy off DA Hayden for even less than that.
Do we need to explain bail again?
Do we need to explain the purpose of bail every single fucking time this site posts an article about a criminal arrest?
Apparently
Maybe add bail info along with "innocent, etc."
School Resource Officers?
I thought they disbanded the school police because the teachers and parents believed they intimidated students.
A 14yo punching an officer...
Expel from Excel... let her do her learning from an online school outside of BPS
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Yes. Keep the cycle alive.
How do you educate somebody
Who brings their fists to a potential gunfight?
Seriously, how do you reach them? This kid was doomed as soon as the sperm reached the egg.
I'm sure things would have gone much better
If they engaged with a gun instead. Yep, why have some charges when you can have much more serious charges like attempted murder added? Also, cops like to shoot people that brandish guns at them, so it's weird to you that a person decided to live?
Overreaction, I would say
These two sound like a charming pair. The mother flipped out that bad over her child being spit on? Granted spitting on someone is a disgusting and disrespectful thing to do and the perpetrator should be called to task. But I can only imagine how the mother would have reacted if her child had been savagely beaten on a daily basis like I was at Boston Latin and another high school back in the early 70s for being a queer person. She likely would have dropped an atomic bomb on the school!
Kudos
Kudos to the school resource officer calling BPD. Sounds like the system worked.
Apples and trees come to mind….
Hopefully the daughter will see the light…
No good can come
from naming a high school after a Microsoft product.
Word
Microsoft, you say?
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Why is the mother not named?
Why is the mother not named?